From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Apr 2 17:45:41 2001 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Large tents for California Star Party In-Reply-To: <3AC19515.6009@sjpc.org>; from jvn@sjpc.org on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 11:39:01PM -0800 References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326142606.00a10200@mail201.pair.com> <3AC19515.6009@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <20010402174541.E74736@shallowsky.com> > Mark Wagner wrote: > > Tent for Cost > > 200 $1320 > > 320 $2112 > > 440 $2920 That seems rather high -- I wouldn't have expected it to cost that much to buy a canopy, much less rent one. > > Registration fee of $6.00 required by August 1, 2001. Jim Van Nuland writes: > I'm nervous about committing that large $$$ ahead of time, [ ... ] > The other thing that bothers me is that this creates an administration > task. With no registration fee, people simply pay the park [ ... ] Doesn't SJAA have a longstanding tradition of having events be free? Seems a shame to break a tradition like that. Not everyone will want a tent (some people will bring their own tents, easy-ups or motorhomes, other people have said that existing shade trees are fine, and still others may be out on the lake or sleeping or doing other activities during the day). It seems like a small benefit to get for turning an informal fun event into something with forms and fees and required preregistration. But admittedly, I haven't been to the site -- is it really that brutal? ...Akkana From koopm at best.com Wed Apr 4 18:35:08 2001 From: koopm at best.com (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] 60mm Refractor Message-ID: Andrew Pierce has donated a GOTO 60mm f/18 refractor to the club. A better description is at We had it set up at Houge on Friday. Since the club already has a 60mm refractor and I do not think they fit too well in the program, we are going to sell it. Jay Freeman suggested that it might be considered a collectable and that we should sell it on Ebay to get a better price than at the Auction. There will be another 60mm refractor which will be sold at the auction anyway. So, should we sell the GOTO on Ebay for a better price or should we offer the GOTO at the auction so that our members can buy it? Right now, I am thinking of going the Ebay route..... Any Comments? Mike From bill at nineplanets.org Wed Apr 4 20:05:38 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] 60mm Refractor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/4/01 6:35 PM, Michael Koop wrote: >... should we sell the GOTO on Ebay for a better price > or should we offer the GOTO at the auction so that our members can buy it?... I think we should attempt to sell it at the auction with a reserve of about 75% of what we think we could get at Ebay. Perhaps Jay knows what that amount would be? -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Apr 4 23:43:49 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] 60mm Refractor References: Message-ID: <3ACC1425.3DFE@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > > Andrew Pierce has donated a GOTO 60mm f/18 refractor to the club. A better > description is at > > > > We had it set up at Houge on Friday. Since the club already has a 60mm > refractor and I do not think they fit too well in the program, we are > going to sell it. Jay Freeman suggested that it might be considered a > collectable and that we should sell it on Ebay to get a better price than > at the Auction. There will be another 60mm refractor which will be sold at > the auction anyway. So, should we sell the GOTO on Ebay for a better price > or should we offer the GOTO at the auction so that our members can buy it? > > Right now, I am thinking of going the Ebay route..... > > Any Comments? I can appreciate wanting to get the most we can out of it, but helping out the membership is valuable too. My first reaction is to give the members first crack at it during the auction, but I wouldn't be upset to see it go via Ebay. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Apr 4 23:43:49 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] 60mm Refractor References: Message-ID: <3ACC1425.3DFE@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > > Andrew Pierce has donated a GOTO 60mm f/18 refractor to the club. A better > description is at > > > > We had it set up at Houge on Friday. Since the club already has a 60mm > refractor and I do not think they fit too well in the program, we are > going to sell it. Jay Freeman suggested that it might be considered a > collectable and that we should sell it on Ebay to get a better price than > at the Auction. There will be another 60mm refractor which will be sold at > the auction anyway. So, should we sell the GOTO on Ebay for a better price > or should we offer the GOTO at the auction so that our members can buy it? > > Right now, I am thinking of going the Ebay route..... > > Any Comments? I can appreciate wanting to get the most we can out of it, but helping out the membership is valuable too. My first reaction is to give the members first crack at it during the auction, but I wouldn't be upset to see it go via Ebay. Gary From Paulm at catc.com Thu Apr 5 08:20:16 2001 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] 60mm Refractor Message-ID: Hi Mike, I would put it on EBAY and if it doesn't sell put it in the Ephemeris. For EBAY I don't know what a good mimimum would be. paulm -----Original Message----- From: Michael Koop [mailto:koopm@best.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:35 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: [SJAABoard] 60mm Refractor Andrew Pierce has donated a GOTO 60mm f/18 refractor to the club. A better description is at We had it set up at Houge on Friday. Since the club already has a 60mm refractor and I do not think they fit too well in the program, we are going to sell it. Jay Freeman suggested that it might be considered a collectable and that we should sell it on Ebay to get a better price than at the Auction. There will be another 60mm refractor which will be sold at the auction anyway. So, should we sell the GOTO on Ebay for a better price or should we offer the GOTO at the auction so that our members can buy it? Right now, I am thinking of going the Ebay route..... Any Comments? Mike _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From koopm at best.com Thu Apr 5 20:55:36 2001 From: koopm at best.com (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction Donation from Scope City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to Jane Houston (who prompted me to call), the SJAA has received a donation for the Auction from Scope City up in San Francisco. Sam Sweiss, manager of Scope City, kindly offered the following items: a) Two light pollution Filters b) Two sets of filters c) Two Messier Posters d) Some star charts e) A few other small items All we need to do is find someone to pick it up. Bill Arnett, you live closest. Could you possibly stop by the store tomorrow and pick these items up? Please bring a copy of the Ephemeris for Sam when you pick it up. I spent a little time talking with him. I told him about all the good things I had heard about the store from the Alberts (12" LX-200, occasional Houge Park supporters). He remembered them by name! Unfortunately, Sam can not make it to the AANC Conference or our auction since he needs to open the store. I look forward to meeting him sometime and supporting his store. Mike Koop Scope City 350 Bay St. San Francisco, CA 94133 Tel: (415)421-8800 Hours: 10AM - 7PM, M-F, SAT. 10AM - 6PM SUN. 10AM - 6PM From bill at nineplanets.org Thu Apr 5 22:22:51 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction Donation from Scope City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 4/5/01 8:55 PM, Michael Koop wrote: > ...All we need to do is find someone to pick it up. Bill Arnett, you live > closest. Could you possibly stop by the store tomorrow and pick these > items up? Please bring a copy of the Ephemeris... I suppose I could drive up there. But I don't have any copies of the Ephemeris. Mojo, do you have any handy? Could I meet you somewhere around lunch time tomorrow? Or can you stop Scope City on your way to work tomorrow? If so, I could meet you down here and take the stuff if you're not going to be at the auction. (Alas, with tax day approaching it looks like I won't be able to make it to the AANC shindig.) -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From mojo at whiteoaks.com Thu Apr 5 22:32:39 2001 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction Donation from Scope City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sorry, I don't have any Ephemeris copies. :( Mojo On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Bill Arnett wrote: > on 4/5/01 8:55 PM, Michael Koop wrote: > > > ...All we need to do is find someone to pick it up. Bill Arnett, you live > > closest. Could you possibly stop by the store tomorrow and pick these > > items up? Please bring a copy of the Ephemeris... > > I suppose I could drive up there. But I don't have any copies of the > Ephemeris. Mojo, do you have any handy? Could I meet you somewhere around > lunch time tomorrow? Or can you stop Scope City on your way to work > tomorrow? If so, I could meet you down here and take the stuff if you're > not going to be at the auction. (Alas, with tax day approaching it looks > like I won't be able to make it to the AANC shindig.) > > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From deljohnson_ls at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 10:57:53 2001 From: deljohnson_ls at yahoo.com (Del Johnson) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction Donations Message-ID: <20010406175753.13714.qmail@web3306.mail.yahoo.com> Should approaching Natural Wonders be considered for the auction? This was an NG post by M. Covington Del > The Natural Wonders stores are going out of business and have a closeout sale > on telescopes such as the Nexstar 5 ($860) and Meade ETX-125 ($712). Their > website is www.naturalwonders.com. Yes... got my NexStar 5 there last month... When the stores get ready to close, we should go back and make them offers on the _damaged_ telescopes that have been on display. They may be very, very cheap "as is"! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From bill at nineplanets.org Fri Apr 6 12:17:26 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction Donation from Scope City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I will pick up the stuff this afternoon. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From mojo at whiteoaks.com Fri Apr 6 12:22:48 2001 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] auction/swap reporting ... Message-ID: Unfortunately I'm having to travel on business this Sunday, and neither Jane nor I will be at the auction/swap meet on Sunday. I'd be very appreciative if any of you with a digital camera could take some pictures of the event for the Ephemeris. I'd be ecstatic if anyone chose to write an article about the event for same. :) Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From koopm at best.com Fri Apr 6 12:42:05 2001 From: koopm at best.com (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction Donation from Scope City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Bill. If you could, please print out a PDF version of the Ephemeris for Sam. Sorry to here you will not be joining us tomorrow. :-( Mike On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Bill Arnett wrote: > I will pick up the stuff this afternoon. > > -- > Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org > Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From bill at nineplanets.org Fri Apr 6 15:35:36 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:11 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City Message-ID: I have for the auction the following stuff from our new friends at Scope City: 3 "Seasonal Star Charts" 3 different sets of 4 Parks 1.25" color filters 2 Parks 1.25" light pollution filters laminated BAA Chart of the Heavens poster laminated Moon map poster laminated color Messier poster Our pre-registration WWW page seems to have attracted no interest :-( So Jim, perhaps you can just enter these items specially. Also, Sam Sweiss wanted to join SJAA. Of course, I told him that was great and that we would send him a few extra copies of the Ephemeris to keep in the store. I thought it was not appropriate given the situation to ask for the $15 dues so I guess he gets a complimentary membership :-) -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Apr 6 17:46:43 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3ACE6373.3A88@aenet.net> Bill Arnett wrote: > > I have for the auction the following stuff from our new friends at Scope > City: > > 3 "Seasonal Star Charts" > 3 different sets of 4 Parks 1.25" color filters > 2 Parks 1.25" light pollution filters > laminated BAA Chart of the Heavens poster > laminated Moon map poster > laminated color Messier poster > > Our pre-registration WWW page seems to have attracted no interest :-( So > Jim, perhaps you can just enter these items specially. > > Also, Sam Sweiss wanted to join SJAA. Of course, I told him that was great > and that we would send him a few extra copies of the Ephemeris to keep in > the store. I thought it was not appropriate given the situation to ask for > the $15 dues so I guess he gets a complimentary membership :-) I wasn't aware one director could unilaterally decide that. Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board? Gary From bill at nineplanets.org Fri Apr 6 20:38:32 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <3ACE6373.3A88@aenet.net> Message-ID: on 4/6/01 5:46 PM, Gary Mitchell wrote: > Bill Arnett wrote: >>... I guess he gets a complimentary membership :-) > > I wasn't aware one director could unilaterally decide that. > Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board? That's probably right. If the board decides that I screwed up then I will pay the $15. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From jvn at sjpc.org Fri Apr 6 23:07:57 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3ACEAEBD.44B3@sjpc.org> Bill Arnett wrote: > > I have for the auction the following stuff from our new friends at Scope > City: > > 3 "Seasonal Star Charts" > 3 different sets of 4 Parks 1.25" color filters > 2 Parks 1.25" light pollution filters > laminated BAA Chart of the Heavens poster > laminated Moon map poster > laminated color Messier poster > > Our pre-registration WWW page seems to have attracted no interest :-( So > Jim, perhaps you can just enter these items specially. I will assign a dummy bidder number so we can generate a report for Scope City. We'll send it along with a thank-you letter. I've done that in the past, including the IRS's mandated text. There was one real registration, The fellow called me about it and I talked him into a higher minimum than he was considering. All that stuff for only $800? The scope may not sell at the auction -- they very rarely have -- but he'll hang around for the Swap and maybe do a silent auction. -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From jvn at sjpc.org Sat Apr 7 12:39:33 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar items, May issue / June data Message-ID: <3ACF6CF5.580E@sjpc.org> Hi, All, Here's the details for June. That issue will also want to have a summary of the Auction and Swap Meet. I'll have the auction results. June 1 -f- Houge Park star party Sset 8:23 pm, 85% moon sets 3:54 am 2 -s- General Meeting. Speaker TBA 15 -f- Astronomy Class VII, 7:30 pm, hall, Houge Park. Topic TBA 15 -f- Houge Park star party Sset 8:30 pm, 31% moon rises 2:44 am. 16 -s- Fremont Peak star party Sset 8:27 pm, 22% moon rises 3:12 am. 23 -s- Coe and Peak star party Sset 8:31 pm, 10% moon sets 10:56 pm. 29 -f- Houge Park star party Sset 8:32 pm, 72% moon sets 2:29 am. Speakers June - needed July - needed Aug. - Elinar Gates of Lick (topic needed) Sep. - Slide/Equipment night Oct. - Jeff Moore, but is the firm? Topic? Nov. - needed Dec. - needed Mike, I don't have Class topics past April. Can you supply? Let me know when you have something lined up, and I'll include it on the hot line. School events: One penciled in Apr.26. Probably next will be in October. I'll try to write a real summary article about the school program. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From akkana at shallowsky.com Sat Apr 7 17:25:05 2001 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: ; from bill@nineplanets.org on Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 08:38:32PM -0700 References: <3ACE6373.3A88@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20010407172505.A46539@shallowsky.com> Bill Arnett writes: > on 4/6/01 5:46 PM, Gary Mitchell wrote: > > I wasn't aware one director could unilaterally decide that. > > Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board? > > That's probably right. If the board decides that I screwed up then I will > pay the $15. I think Bill did the right thing, even if he isn't technically authorized to make money decisions on his own; if the board decides not to pay it I'll happily pay part of it, as a member wanting to thank Scope City for their donation. ...Akkana From Sol.Man at indigoskies.com Sat Apr 7 18:20:09 2001 From: Sol.Man at indigoskies.com (Mark Taylor) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <20010407172505.A46539@shallowsky.com> References: <3ACE6373.3A88@aenet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.12.0.20010407180727.025c66d8@indigoskies.com> At 05:25 PM 4/7/2001, Akkana wrote: >Bill Arnett writes: > > on 4/6/01 5:46 PM, Gary Mitchell wrote: > > > I wasn't aware one director could unilaterally decide that. > > > Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board? > > > > That's probably right. If the board decides that I screwed up then I will > > pay the $15. > >I think Bill did the right thing, even if he isn't technically >authorized to make money decisions on his own; if the board decides >not to pay it I'll happily pay part of it, as a member wanting to >thank Scope City for their donation. Dittos for me as a member and board member. Personally I've always been more supportive of attempts to "do the right thing" than of attempts to follow rules to the letter. Most rules are basically a failed attempt at accurately and completely describing what "the right thing" is, anyway. Mark From bill at nineplanets.org Sat Apr 7 18:29:11 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.12.0.20010407180727.025c66d8@indigoskies.com> Message-ID: > Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board?... Well, then let's vote on it. According to our rules we can't vote until after 72 hours of discussion so lets start the clock ticking as of yesterday afternoon when Gary first mentioned it. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From north at znet.com Sun Apr 8 00:49:14 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD017F9.CE7D27D@znet.com> Bill>>Also, Sam Sweiss wanted to join SJAA.<< So, would someone give me the address/email etc so I can set him up? Whether the board approves it or not, he's going in, so let's get that part out of the way. dave From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Apr 8 00:47:10 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD0177E.23D4@aenet.net> Bill Arnett wrote: > > > Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board?... > > Well, then let's vote on it. According to our rules we can't vote until > after 72 hours of discussion so lets start the clock ticking as of yesterday > afternoon when Gary first mentioned it. 72 hours will also allow us time to find out what the donation actually brings in. I don't know what the donation is worth, but if our thank-you involves a free membership, it had better net way more than $15...just trying to be a good tresurer. ;) Here's something else to consider: If someone donates stuff to the cause, chances are they wouldn't mind paying the dues. Otherwise, it just reduces the value of the donation. Bill: did you say anything to him about waiving the dues or did you just do it? When making donations to the local PBS station I never accept the thank-you gifts for the same reason. I'm happy with a receipt and a thank you. IMO, anything beyond that is a waste of my donation...But, that's me. On the other hand, many people like thank-you gifts. If the donation brings in a bundle and he would like a free membership, I don't have any problems with that. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Apr 8 01:34:15 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: <3ACE6373.3A88@aenet.net> <5.1.0.12.0.20010407180727.025c66d8@indigoskies.com> Message-ID: <3AD02287.58E4@aenet.net> Mark Taylor wrote: > Personally I've always been more supportive of attempts to > "do the right thing" than of attempts to follow rules to the > letter. Most rules are basically a failed attempt at accurately > and completely describing what "the right thing" is, anyway. Efficiently doing the right thing is all well and good, but I disagree with your definition of the rules. Most rules are in place to prevent problems, define limits, and keep operations out in the open. I'm not above bending the rules myself, but it has to be done with care. In this case, a rule that only the board can authorize a dues waiver is the same type of rule that prevents all kinds of under-the-table dealing. A back-room deal may accomplish the "right thing," but it's not the way to run an organization. Now, I'm certainly *not* suggesting Bill is trying to pull a fast one--his motives are clearly good. But it bothers me that many people seem to think it's OK to do things this way. Is there really so much red tape and bureaucracy? Let me ask you guys this... If you were our new member, which would you rather have: 1) the guy who accepts your donation thanks you by sort of apparently slipping your membership in without the dues. Or 2) you learn that the board of directors officially voted to waive your dues as a thank you. Think about it. :) Gary From bill at nineplanets.org Sun Apr 8 09:00:49 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <3AD0177E.23D4@aenet.net> Message-ID: on 4/8/01 12:47 AM, Gary Mitchell wrote: >...Bill: did you say anything to him about waiving the dues or > did you just do it?... No mention of dues was made during the conversation (which lasted all of 15 seconds). I thought about it and decided not to. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From bhavner at ricochet.net Mon Apr 9 13:38:41 2001 From: bhavner at ricochet.net (Bob & Brenda Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] New contact info Message-ID: <001901c0c135$22708200$5388b3cc@havner> I hope the auction was a success! Sorry I couldn't get by. We are moving and I want to update my contact info. Starting 4/16 : Bob Havner 3290 Manda Dr. San Jose, Ca. 95124 (408)732-2559 Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20010409/b3fb91e1/attachment.html From north at znet.com Mon Apr 9 17:28:08 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address References: <001901c0c135$22708200$5388b3cc@havner> Message-ID: <3AD25395.499996D1@znet.com> Bob: >>I hope the auction was a success!<< I believe it was one of the more successful events, but I don't know for sure (the total seemed high to me, and certainly everyone enjoyed Jay's performance). However, I think it established at least one thing: The SJAA auction (as opposed to the swap meet) can certainly be a successful event. There was no swap meet this year, really. Clearly, Ebay has not killed live auctions. My hypothesis is, whatever event takes place first will succeed, and whatever event takes place second will fail. With that in mind, I would suggest to the board that it has been (and is) wasteful to schedule both a swap meet and an auction on the same day; there should be no more Swap Meet & Auctions. I suspect that for some time the event scheduled in April (whatever it is) will be successful simply because of tradition and momentum, but there should be another complementary event at the opposite annual pole, either October or November, to accomodate the alternate activity. I suspect (personally) that it would be better to have the swap meet in October/November when people are preparing for Christmas, but I really don't think it matters very much which event is moved to the other half of the year, as long as the board decides to move *one event or the other.* I'm delighted the board tried this experiment -- now we know there really wasn't any need for the auction to be such a failure all those years ... just that nobody seems interested in two events in one day. Live and learn. >>Sorry I couldn't get by. We are moving and I want to update my contact info. Starting 4/16<< Bob, I've taken the liberty of updating the database to your new address effective now. The reason is, the Ephemeris won't hit the mail before then, so it's best just to get it done. Okay? I'll send the standard confirming notice via another email. Dave From Sol.Man at indigoskies.com Mon Apr 9 18:17:09 2001 From: Sol.Man at indigoskies.com (Mark Taylor) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address In-Reply-To: <3AD25395.499996D1@znet.com> References: <001901c0c135$22708200$5388b3cc@havner> Message-ID: <5.1.0.12.0.20010409180953.0268be98@indigoskies.com> At 05:28 PM 4/9/2001, Dave North wrote: > Clearly, Ebay has not killed live auctions. Clearly! That was a great turn out. > My hypothesis is, whatever event takes place first will succeed, and >whatever event takes place second will fail. This is probably correct, except that the second thing will "succeed less" (some business is always done in the second half, including this time) > With that in mind, I would suggest to the board that it has been (and >is) wasteful to schedule both a swap meet and an auction on the same >day; I think this is a good idea, and would welcome such a change. >...there should be another complementary event at the opposite annual pole, >either October or November, to accomodate the alternate activity. > I suspect (personally) that it would be better to have the swap > meet in >October/November when people are preparing for Christmas, but I really >don't think it matters very much which event is moved to the other half >of the year, as long as the board decides to move *one event or the other.* If there were enough hours in the day I'd suggest combining September's "Member Night" with the swap meet. Barring that, October/November sounds like a good time to do it. > I'm delighted the board tried this experiment -- Me too. And I hope the idea of separating the events is seriously considered as well. Mark From jbartolini at juno.com Mon Apr 9 18:55:56 2001 From: jbartolini at juno.com (Jim Bartolini) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address Message-ID: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> From: Dave North >>I would suggest to the board that it has been (and is) wasteful to >>schedule both a swap meet and an auction on the same day..... >>there should be another complementary event at the opposite annual >>pole, either October or November, to accomodate the alternate >>activity. I suspect (personally) that it would be better to have the >>swap meet in October/November..... I wholdheartedly agree!!! (that's a vote, if you choose to count it as such) Jim ................. 8-) ================================================================= Jim Bartolini ================================================================= From bill at nineplanets.org Mon Apr 9 19:33:03 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address In-Reply-To: <3AD25395.499996D1@znet.com> Message-ID: on 4/9/01 5:28 PM, Dave North wrote: > ... Ebay has not killed live auctions. Maybe that's because their WWW site isn't as much fun as Jay Freeman :-) > ... it would be better to have the swap meet in October/November ... That sounds like a good idea to me. BTW, it seems that part of the reason for the lackluster swap meet this year was the absence of Joe Sunseri. Anyone know why he wasn't there? -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From jvn at sjpc.org Mon Apr 9 23:27:50 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address References: Message-ID: <3AD2A7E6.A7A@sjpc.org> Bill Arnett wrote: > BTW, it seems that part of the reason for the lackluster swap meet this year > was the absence of Joe Sunseri. Anyone know why he wasn't there? He is in the process of moving his business to Santa Rosa. I'd e-mailed him a long time ago with the date of the auction, but obviously he was not able to get here. -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From jvn at sjpc.org Mon Apr 9 23:58:30 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction References: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> Message-ID: <3AD2AF16.55C0@sjpc.org> Hi, all, I've played with the auction records, collected the swap meet information from Gary, and here are some numbers. I've written a mostly-text report for the Ephemeris. Mike, you are very correct when you said that most of the income was from donated items. The following proves it: Auction: 23 donated items netted $753.00 34 sold items netted 200.20 953.20 Total from Auction SWAP MEET sales Rick Baldridge 5.00 Jim Bartolini 0.25 Terry Kahl 21.90 Kevin Medlock 8.00 Tom Sharkey 6.00 41.15 Total from Swap Donations: Kevin Medlock 2.00 Maggie Halberg 10.00 Uncredited, estimate 8.00 20.00 Total donations FINAL TALLEY: Auction - donated 753.00 Auction - sales 200.20 Bidder tickets: 40.00 estimate by JVN Swap 41.15 Donations 20.00 1054.35 Grand total This is near the top for all 21 years; quite possibly the only one that surpassed it was the first, which netted about $1100. An amusing historical sidelight is that the auction was intended to raise money for the Red Cross (whose building we used for meetings); they had asked for $200. On this list, Dave North commented that, with two events, the first succeeds, the second fails. Since last year's "failure" was an auction that brought in over $350, it appears that it depends on what your definition of failure is! There was one swap-auction in which I call a failure; it brought in about $60. We want to keep better records from now on, including the specifics of who sold how much at the swap meet. The above report will be stored with the auction records. All we gotta do is keep it up. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From jvn at sjpc.org Mon Apr 9 23:40:12 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction results -- for the Ephemeris References: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> Message-ID: <3AD2AACC.633B@sjpc.org> Auction XXI The SJAA/Bay-area Auction was a great success! With the auction run first, there was much more material than in years past, and it took longer -- about 3 hours. The results were worth the work, however, as the net income was $993.35 -- better than most years. The swap meet was sharply different! One of our biggest sellers was absent, and with much already sold, the swap was almost non-existent! There was another $41.15, and, with the dollars from bidder numbers and some donations, the overall total is $1054.35. Jay Reynolds Freeman conducted the auction in his uninimitable style; a big thank-you to Jay. We must also thank Scope City for the filters, books, and charts that were donated; they brought in $192. Thank You, Scope City! -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From north at znet.com Tue Apr 10 00:11:24 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction References: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> <3AD2AF16.55C0@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <3AD2B21C.3879FF03@znet.com> Jim>>Since last year's "failure" was an auction that brought in over $350, it appears that it depends on what your definition of failure is!<< A good point, and I think the year before was even better. However, it was clear after the auction that most people's enthusiasm was pretty much gone, and not much energy was left for the swap. >>There was one swap-auction in which I call a failure; it brought in about $60.<< I wasn't here for that, but I'll quote this year's figure (and thanks for the update; I was curious): >>41.15 Total from Swap<< I dunno about you, but I'd call it a failure. Dave From north at znet.com Tue Apr 10 00:13:31 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction References: <3AD2A7E6.A7A@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <3AD2B29A.4681D5DE@znet.com> Oh, and one other point that shouldn't be missed: Sunday seems just fine! We shouldn't have any further problems with daycare schedule conflicts, and that's perhaps the best news of all! Dave From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Apr 10 00:47:03 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction/swap results Message-ID: <3AD2BA77.3B0C@aenet.net> Preliminary results are that SJAA netted $990.20 last weekend. This was the first time the auction was held first, so far as I know. The swap afterward was the smallest I've ever seen. We only had five sellers and they were gone in an hour. SJAA's commission on the swap came to $41.15 (included in the above). A couple of suggestions were mentioned... 1) Have the swap and auction at different times, perhaps even several months apart. 2) Large ticket items generally don't sell at the auction. One idea is to put those on the SJAA web site *well* in advance, and mention this in the newsletter. This will give people a chance to do research and to prepare to make those big bids. Gary Mitchell From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Apr 10 02:11:42 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction References: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> <3AD2AF16.55C0@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <3AD2CE4E.4B7A@aenet.net> I've got to read first, post later... ;) For the bean counters among us: I counted $37 from the bidder tickets (not an estimate). This lowers Jim's total by $3. I just reported a total of $990.20. Most of the information for this came from Jim privately. I thought his figure included the swap and donations, but evidently not. That would account for my $61.15 short fall. Allowing for that, and the $37 bidder tickets, we agree to the penny. Gary Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I've played with the auction records, collected the swap meet > information from Gary, and here are some numbers. I've written a > mostly-text report for the Ephemeris. > > Mike, you are very correct when you said that most of the income was > from donated items. The following proves it: > > Auction: 23 donated items netted $753.00 > 34 sold items netted 200.20 > > 953.20 Total from Auction > > SWAP MEET sales > > Rick Baldridge 5.00 > Jim Bartolini 0.25 > Terry Kahl 21.90 > Kevin Medlock 8.00 > Tom Sharkey 6.00 > 41.15 Total from Swap > > Donations: > Kevin Medlock 2.00 > Maggie Halberg 10.00 > Uncredited, estimate 8.00 > 20.00 Total donations > > FINAL TALLEY: > Auction - donated 753.00 > Auction - sales 200.20 > Bidder tickets: 40.00 estimate by JVN > Swap 41.15 > Donations 20.00 > 1054.35 Grand total > > This is near the top for all 21 years; quite possibly the only one > that surpassed it was the first, which netted about $1100. An amusing > historical sidelight is that the auction was intended to raise money for > the Red Cross (whose building we used for meetings); they had asked for > $200. > > On this list, Dave North commented that, with two events, the first > succeeds, the second fails. Since last year's "failure" was an auction > that brought in over $350, it appears that it depends on what your > definition of failure is! There was one swap-auction in which I call a > failure; it brought in about $60. > > We want to keep better records from now on, including the specifics of > who sold how much at the swap meet. The above report will be stored > with the auction records. All we gotta do is keep it up. > > Clear Skies! > -- > Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. > Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org > JVN's home page > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL Tue Apr 10 07:35:20 2001 From: bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (Bartolini, Jim) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction Message-ID: <9112B1E00AB4D311A9F3009027AF88B6035B59DB@pom-emh1.army.mil> >>From: Dave North [SMTP:north@znet.com] >>... it was clear after the auction that most people's enthusiasm was pretty >>much gone, and not much energy was left for the swap. ... a lot of peoples' wallets were probably a good deal lighter, too...... Jim ........... :-) ================================================= Jim Bartolini ================================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20010410/93f72b24/attachment.html From north at znet.com Tue Apr 10 08:06:26 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction References: <9112B1E00AB4D311A9F3009027AF88B6035B59DB@pom-emh1.army.mil> Message-ID: <3AD32171.C02BC058@znet.com> Jim: >>... a lot of peoples' wallets were probably a good deal lighter, too...... << Well, yeah! That too! d From north at znet.com Tue Apr 10 08:06:42 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction/swap results References: <3AD2BA77.3B0C@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3AD32180.9CA97DB5@znet.com> Gary: >>Large ticket items generally don't sell at the auction. One idea is to put those on the SJAA web site *well* in advance, and mention this in the newsletter. This will give people a chance to do research and to prepare to make those big bids.<< That's definitely right. A few years back we did that, and a modest (but successful) number of larger ticket items went out the door, because people had weeks to think about it. Principal among them was an old schmidt camera Kevin donated that netted $500 or so. Akkana has put the software in place -- with proper advertising the next time (you have to start in February) it might just fly. Had I not been distracted, and organized it similarly, it would probably have sold some of the larger items. On the other hand, a couple of them were simply priced too high. Dave From Paulm at catc.com Tue Apr 10 08:29:14 2001 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address Message-ID: I agree too. paulm -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartolini [mailto:jbartolini@juno.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:56 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Cc: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] The Auction and Bob's New Address From: Dave North >>I would suggest to the board that it has been (and is) wasteful to >>schedule both a swap meet and an auction on the same day..... >>there should be another complementary event at the opposite annual >>pole, either October or November, to accomodate the alternate >>activity. I suspect (personally) that it would be better to have the >>swap meet in October/November..... I wholdheartedly agree!!! (that's a vote, if you choose to count it as such) Jim ................. 8-) ================================================================= Jim Bartolini ================================================================= _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From bill at nineplanets.org Tue Apr 10 14:29:42 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <3AD0177E.23D4@aenet.net> Message-ID: on 4/8/01 12:47 AM, Gary Mitchell wrote: > Bill Arnett wrote: >> >>> Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board?... >> >> Well, then let's vote on it. According to our rules we can't vote until >> after 72 hours of discussion so lets start the clock ticking as of yesterday >> afternoon when Gary first mentioned it. > > 72 hours will also allow us time to find out what the donation > actually brings in. I don't know what the donation is worth, > but if our thank-you involves a free membership, it had better > net way more than $15... Well, I guess that turns out to be a non-issue :-) Let's have the votes then. The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a free membership". I vote "yes". -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From Paulm at catc.com Tue Apr 10 14:29:19 2001 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City Message-ID: I vote yes. paulm -----Original Message----- From: Bill Arnett [mailto:bill@nineplanets.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:30 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City on 4/8/01 12:47 AM, Gary Mitchell wrote: > Bill Arnett wrote: >> >>> Doesn't a dues waiver have to be voted on by the board?... >> >> Well, then let's vote on it. According to our rules we can't vote until >> after 72 hours of discussion so lets start the clock ticking as of yesterday >> afternoon when Gary first mentioned it. > > 72 hours will also allow us time to find out what the donation > actually brings in. I don't know what the donation is worth, > but if our thank-you involves a free membership, it had better > net way more than $15... Well, I guess that turns out to be a non-issue :-) Let's have the votes then. The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a free membership". I vote "yes". -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From Sol.Man at indigoskies.com Tue Apr 10 15:33:36 2001 From: Sol.Man at indigoskies.com (Mark Taylor) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: References: <3AD0177E.23D4@aenet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.12.0.20010410152843.026f2a28@indigoskies.com> At 02:29 PM 4/10/2001, Bill Arnett wrote: >Let's have the votes then. The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a >free membership". > >I vote "yes". Is that a free "1-year membership", or free "lifetime membership"? I'd support giving a "1-year membership". And along those lines, I'd also support any motion to make it a standing policy that we extend such a courtesy (one single year membership for the business) to those businesses that donate goods (valued in excess of the membership cost) to the club for fund-raising purposes. Mark From bill at nineplanets.org Tue Apr 10 15:41:26 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.12.0.20010410152843.026f2a28@indigoskies.com> Message-ID: on 4/10/01 3:33 PM, Mark Taylor wrote: > At 02:29 PM 4/10/2001, Bill Arnett wrote: > >> Let's have the votes then. The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a >> free membership". >> >> I vote "yes". > > Is that a free "1-year membership", or free "lifetime membership"? > > I'd support giving a "1-year membership". It seems to me it would be a bit awkward to come back to him a year from now and ask him to pay up even if he doesn't make additional donations. > And along those lines, I'd also support any motion to make it a standing > policy that we extend such a courtesy (one single year membership for the > business) to those businesses that donate goods (valued in excess of the > membership cost) to the club for fund-raising purposes. I agree with that. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From jvn at sjpc.org Tue Apr 10 15:46:15 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction References: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> <3AD2AF16.55C0@sjpc.org> <3AD2CE4E.4B7A@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3AD38D37.5DDA@sjpc.org> Gary Mitchell wrote: > > I've got to read first, post later... ;) > > For the bean counters among us: I counted $37 from the bidder > tickets (not an estimate). This lowers Jim's total by $3. > [snip] Allowing for that, and the $37 bidder > tickets, we agree to the penny. Neat! I'll adjust the amount from bidder numbers. Way Back When (1982?) we voted to ask $1 donation for bidder numbers. Most commonly people ask if there's a fee, and I say that we'd like a $1 donation. Nobody has ever said no. Not everyone asks, and when it gets busy I might not remember to ask for it. One time a fellow came in and wanted to look around, and insisted that he first obtain a number and pay the $1. After half an hour or so, he decided not to stay, returned the bidder card, but refused to take back the $1. Another time a card was paid for with a New Zealand dollar. The bidder had come directly from the airport after a trans-pacific flight. Dedication! DAVE: I agree that this swap was a failure. OTOH I doubt that it wasted anyone's time. DAVE again: Yes, the big items could sell if they are publicized well ahead of time, a la the pre-registration page. Must be early. AKKANA: We must work out a way to make pre-registration work, ideally producing data that can be run directly into the auction program, maybe even assigning bidder and item numbers. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From jvn at sjpc.org Tue Apr 10 16:09:59 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD392C7.11B5@sjpc.org> Bill Arnett wrote: > > > > Is that a free "1-year membership", or free "lifetime membership"? > > > > I'd support giving a "1-year membership". > > It seems to me it would be a bit awkward to come back to him a year from now > and ask him to pay up even if he doesn't make additional donations. No, the expiration date is on the label, and he can decide whether to renew. We needn't say anything. I support 1 year membership. -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From koopm at best.com Tue Apr 10 16:17:36 2001 From: koopm at best.com (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe we currently give a free membership to Orion in Cupertino and Jack Marling of Lumicon. I suggest we do the same for Scope City, and therefore vote yes. Mike Koop On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Bill Arnett wrote: > on 4/10/01 3:33 PM, Mark Taylor wrote: > > > At 02:29 PM 4/10/2001, Bill Arnett wrote: > > > >> Let's have the votes then. The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a > >> free membership". > >> > >> I vote "yes". > > > > Is that a free "1-year membership", or free "lifetime membership"? > > > > I'd support giving a "1-year membership". > > It seems to me it would be a bit awkward to come back to him a year from now > and ask him to pay up even if he doesn't make additional donations. > > > And along those lines, I'd also support any motion to make it a standing > > policy that we extend such a courtesy (one single year membership for the > > business) to those businesses that donate goods (valued in excess of the > > membership cost) to the club for fund-raising purposes. > > I agree with that. > > -- > Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org > Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From north at znet.com Tue Apr 10 16:18:11 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: <3AD392C7.11B5@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <3AD394B1.317FCA78@znet.com> Jim: >>No, the expiration date is on the label, and he can decide whether to renew. We needn't say anything. << I agree. It's a simple matter to just let things drift away, especially if it turns out he doesn't much care. On the other hand, if he becomes enthusiastic in his support of the club, it's also easy to just re-up him each year. Dave From north at znet.com Tue Apr 10 16:20:22 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD39533.587C0F1A@znet.com> Mike: >>I believe we currently give a free membership to Orion in Cupertino and Jack Marling of Lumicon.<< That's correct. And a good point. Dave From jvn at sjpc.org Tue Apr 10 16:24:24 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: <3AD39533.587C0F1A@znet.com> Message-ID: <3AD39628.6938@sjpc.org> Dave North wrote: > > Mike: >>I believe we currently give a free membership to Orion in > Cupertino and > Jack Marling of Lumicon.<< > > That's correct. And a good point. I believe those two are predicated on having it posted in the stores. -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From akkana at shallowsky.com Tue Apr 10 16:57:13 2001 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Details of auction In-Reply-To: <3AD38D37.5DDA@sjpc.org>; from jvn@sjpc.org on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 03:46:15PM -0700 References: <20010409.185557.-4045317.0.jbartolini@juno.com> <3AD2AF16.55C0@sjpc.org> <3AD2CE4E.4B7A@aenet.net> <3AD38D37.5DDA@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <20010410165713.B81502@shallowsky.com> Jim Van Nuland writes: > I agree that this swap was a failure. OTOH I doubt that it wasted > anyone's time. No, I'm sure it didn't. People were free to leave, and I saw some business being transacted. I talked to a couple of people who were potentially interested in my scope but weren't quite ready to buy right then. I expect that even if we schedule a separate swap meet in the fall (which is a great idea), after the auction people will hang around for a while chatting and making offers for items that didn't sell. Nothing wrong with that! > DAVE again: > Yes, the big items could sell if they are publicized well ahead of > time, a la the pre-registration page. Must be early. > > AKKANA: > We must work out a way to make pre-registration work, ideally > producing data that can be run directly into the auction program, maybe > even assigning bidder and item numbers. Formatting the output for any format you want is easy. Assigning bidder and item numbers is also easy. Just tell me what format you want. We have plenty of time to debug the setup before the next time we'll need it. :-) If it would be useful, I can make an admin page (with a password? does the info of who's selling what need to be protected, or should it be on the public page too?) to dump the list in a particular format. I agree with Dave that big items sell better if they're publicised well in advance. That means both publicity on the SJAA's part, so people find the page and know they can preregister, and on the part of sellers, to register their items early (those of us who waited too long (like me) can't complain about their items not selling). ...Akkana From jbartolini at juno.com Tue Apr 10 21:15:16 2001 From: jbartolini at juno.com (Jim Bartolini) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City Message-ID: <20010410.211517.-3927907.0.jbartolini@juno.com> >>The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a free membership". I also vote "yes". Jim ................. 8-) ================================================================= Jim Bartolini ================================================================= From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Apr 10 23:50:58 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD3FED2.60F9@aenet.net> Bill Arnett wrote: > > 72 hours will also allow us time to find out what the donation > > actually brings in. I don't know what the donation is worth, > > but if our thank-you involves a free membership, it had better > > net way more than $15... > > Well, I guess that turns out to be a non-issue :-) > > Let's have the votes then. The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a > free membership". > > I vote "yes". Their donation pulled in quite a few bucks, didn't it? I guess that's worth a membership... I vote yes. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Apr 11 00:20:42 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA web domain Message-ID: <3AD405CA.5C62@aenet.net> Our web page domain name, sjaa.net, is up for renewal by Network Solutions Inc. I didn't know how much time was left before it expired, so I renewed it right away--on my credit card. The cost is $35/year. The renewal choices were: 1 year 2 years, 10 percent off 5 years, 20 percent off 9 years, 40 percent off I assume SJAA and our web site will be around for a while, so I went for the biggest discount: 9 years for $189. I just learned it's good now until January 8, 2011. Is this one of those things that the treasurer pays automatically (like the phone bill) or does it need to be voted on? If it's the latter: I move that the club reimburse me for the renewal. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Apr 11 01:05:35 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD4104F.3CF4@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > > I believe we currently give a free membership to Orion in Cupertino and > Jack Marling of Lumicon. I suggest we do the same for Scope City, and > therefore vote yes. Are these true *memberships* or are they just on the mailing list to get the newsletter? (For publicity or whatever.) We get newsletters from other astronomy clubs, I assume we send them our newsletter too. That doesn't make them SJAA members, does it? Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Apr 11 02:24:30 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: Message-ID: <3AD422CE.6FDB@aenet.net> Bill Arnett wrote: > > on 4/10/01 3:33 PM, Mark Taylor wrote: > > Is that a free "1-year membership", or free "lifetime membership"? > > > > I'd support giving a "1-year membership". > > It seems to me it would be a bit awkward to come back to him a year from now > and ask him to pay up even if he doesn't make additional donations. I don't see why, it's not as if we'll go pounding on his door. If he doesn't renew, it will just expire normally. It should be made clear up front that this is a *one year* free membership. If he makes another significant donation next year, we can deal with it then. Bill, you're starting to sound like you meant this to be a lifetime membership. Gary From Sol.Man at indigoskies.com Wed Apr 11 08:05:24 2001 From: Sol.Man at indigoskies.com (Mark Taylor) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA web domain In-Reply-To: <3AD405CA.5C62@aenet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.12.0.20010411080221.0262a328@indigoskies.com> At 12:20 AM 4/11/2001, Gary Mitchell wrote: >Our web page domain name, sjaa.net, is up for renewal by Network >Solutions Inc. ... >I assume SJAA and our web site will be around for a while, so I >went for the biggest discount: 9 years for $189. I just learned >it's good now until January 8, 2011. Great! (hang onto it while you can -- it'd be hard to get back) >Is this one of those things that the treasurer pays automatically >(like the phone bill) I'd assume so -- it's a regular expense item, and we've already agreed to pay for the name. From north at znet.com Wed Apr 11 10:12:39 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City References: <3AD4104F.3CF4@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3AD49087.2A710851@znet.com> Gary: >>Are these true *memberships* or are they just on the mailing list to get the newsletter?<< Orion is just under "Orion," which would not confer a membership on anyone. Even better (I just checked) it's to the Santa Cruz address which no longer exists: ORION TELESCOPE CENTER P.O. BOX 1158 SANTA CRUZ CA 95061 PHONE: Complementary: Unpaid DUES PAYABLE: . LAST PAID: IN THE AMOUNT OF: On the other hand, Jack Marling gets a realperson listing that may also be outdated (don't know): JACK MARLING 891 LAGUNA STREET LIVERMORE CA 94550 PHONE: 415-443-7579 Complementary: Unpaid DUES PAYABLE: . LAST PAID: IN THE AMOUNT OF: ... and there is no Lumicon! Clearly we need to update both of these (updating all the complementaries has been a task I've been contemplating for years), and my opinion is that Tim Gieseler should get a membership (regardless of any other consideration) because he has donated enough stuff to cover a century of dues, at least. Dave From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Apr 11 10:23:46 2001 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Current Addresses in the AANC Resource Guide References: <3AD4104F.3CF4@aenet.net> <3AD49087.2A710851@znet.com> Message-ID: <3AD49321.5E35446C@whiteoaks.com> The current and accurate addresses of Orion (Cupertino and Watsonville), Scope City (SF) and Lumicon (Livermore) are in the AANC Resource Guide under Astronomy Businesses. It's the first link on our AANC website, http://www.aanc-astronomy.org/ You could check the other listings in our resource guide against the mailing list addresses for any other complimentary type newsletter mailings. Jane AANC President Dave North wrote: > Gary: >>Are these true *memberships* or are they just on the mailing > list to get the newsletter?<< > > Orion is just under "Orion," which would not confer a membership on > anyone. Even better (I just checked) it's to the Santa Cruz address > which no longer exists: > > ORION TELESCOPE CENTER P.O. BOX 1158 SANTA CRUZ CA 95061 PHONE: > Complementary: Unpaid > DUES PAYABLE: . LAST PAID: IN THE AMOUNT OF: > > On the other hand, Jack Marling gets a realperson listing that may also > be outdated (don't know): > > JACK MARLING 891 LAGUNA STREET LIVERMORE CA 94550 PHONE: 415-443-7579 > Complementary: Unpaid > DUES PAYABLE: . LAST PAID: IN THE AMOUNT OF: > > ... and there is no Lumicon! > > Clearly we need to update both of these (updating all the > complementaries has been a task I've been contemplating for years), and > my opinion is that Tim Gieseler should get a membership (regardless of > any other consideration) because he has donated enough stuff to cover a > century of dues, at least. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From bill at nineplanets.org Wed Apr 11 11:20:26 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA web domain In-Reply-To: <3AD405CA.5C62@aenet.net> Message-ID: on 4/11/01 12:20 AM, Gary Mitchell wrote: > Our web page domain name... > Is this one of those things that the treasurer pays automatically > (like the phone bill) or does it need to be voted on? ... Yes. At first it seemed like enough money that the board should be involved but if we can't trust our Treasurer to do things like this then what's he for anyway? Reimburse yourself, Gary :-) -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From bill at nineplanets.org Wed Apr 11 15:03:19 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Donations from Scope City In-Reply-To: <3AD3FED2.60F9@aenet.net> Message-ID: The motion is "Sam Sweiss at Scope City gets a free membership". It has been interpreted to mean a one year membership only. We have "yes" votes from BillA Bob Paul Mark JVN Mike JimB Gary and as usual BillO is silent. The motion passes. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Emerald Hills, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ From bhavner at ricochet.net Thu Apr 12 16:10:57 2001 From: bhavner at ricochet.net (Bob & Brenda Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Speaker, June 2nd Message-ID: <001701c0c3a5$dade5d40$7f86b3cc@havner> NASA Ames has arranged for Dr. Larry Lasher to speak at the June 2nd meeting. I haven't received the details of his topic yet. Dr. Lasher is the Pioneer Project Manager at Ames so I assume the talk will involve the Pioneer Project. When I receive more info I'll let you know. Bob Havner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20010412/d0e44b81/attachment.html From jvn at sjpc.org Thu Apr 12 23:19:42 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] June 2nd, July 7th References: <0025022b4647$266cc920$3f82b3cc@havner> Message-ID: <3AD69A7E.1F04@sjpc.org> Bob & Brenda Havner wrote: > Greg Laughlin of NASA Ames will speak on July 7th. I asked him to > speak on the topic of his book "The Five Ages of the Universe". > NASA Ames has arranged for Dr. Larry Lasher to speak at the June 2nd meeting. Wonderful, Bob. Hey, all, we should have nabbed Bob for the board long ago! He's also been at many school star parties! Thanks, Bob, keep up the good work! Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From jvn at sjpc.org Fri Apr 13 00:37:11 2001 From: jvn at sjpc.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] School star party summary, 2000-2001 Message-ID: <3AD6ACA7.3C0C@sjpc.org> School Star Party program The school star party program is winding down, with just two events remaining on the calendar. There have been 25 successful events and 13 cloud-outs. This is sharply better than 1999-2000, when we did 14 successes and 10 cloud-outs. Most have been at elementary schools, with a smattering of middle and high schools. In addition, SJAA has about 25 public star parties at Houge Park each year, and we have school or scout groups there, but I don't have a count, perhaps another dozen. This year, we experimented with after-DST (Darkness Squandering Time) events at grade schools, and I'm happy to report that, despite the late time, 8 to 10 pm, we had good turnouts! So our season is extended a couple weeks, and there's more time to get from job to school. Special thanks go to our stalwarts, Bill O'Shaughnessy, Gary Mitchell, and Jim Bartolini. Honorable mention to Terry Kahl, Bob Havner, and others who have come out when their jobs allowed. My apologies for not listing you all. We have a few PAS members who help when we're on that side of the valley, and another few Stanford students who help when we're wayyy up the peninsula. We have done events from Mountain View to Milpitas to Morgan Hill, with most in San Jose east of Hwy.101. John Dobson has said that the measure of a telescope is not the size of the mirror, or the quality of the figure, or the smoothness of the mount; the measure of a telescope is the number of non-astronomers who have looked through it. By this measure, we have some superb instruments! Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org JVN's home page From jane at whiteoaks.com Fri Apr 13 11:03:13 2001 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] School star party summary, 2000-2001 References: <3AD6ACA7.3C0C@sjpc.org> Message-ID: <3AD73F60.3C945AF0@whiteoaks.com> This is a great summary! Thanks, Jim. I think it belongs in the Ephemeris. Does anyone have any pictures from a school star party to accompany the writeup? Got some good material for this month, and we'll be putting it together Saturday when Mojo returns from a week in Atlanta. So any images today or tomorrow, please. Jane Jim Van Nuland wrote: > School Star Party program > > The school star party program is winding down, with just two events > remaining on the calendar. There have been 25 successful events and 13 > cloud-outs. This is sharply better than 1999-2000, when we did 14 > successes and 10 cloud-outs. Most have been at elementary schools, with > a smattering of middle and high schools. In addition, SJAA has about 25 > public star parties at Houge Park each year, and we have school or scout > groups there, but I don't have a count, perhaps another dozen. > > This year, we experimented with after-DST (Darkness Squandering Time) > events at grade schools, and I'm happy to report that, despite the late > time, 8 to 10 pm, we had good turnouts! So our season is extended a > couple weeks, and there's more time to get from job to school. > > Special thanks go to our stalwarts, Bill O'Shaughnessy, Gary Mitchell, > and Jim Bartolini. Honorable mention to Terry Kahl, Bob Havner, and > others who have come out when their jobs allowed. My apologies for not > listing you all. We have a few PAS members who help when we're on that > side of the valley, and another few Stanford students who help when > we're wayyy up the peninsula. > > We have done events from Mountain View to Milpitas to Morgan Hill, > with most in San Jose east of Hwy.101. > > John Dobson has said that the measure of a telescope is not the size > of the mirror, or the quality of the figure, or the smoothness of the > mount; the measure of a telescope is the number of non-astronomers who > have looked through it. By this measure, we have some superb > instruments! > > Clear Skies! > -- > Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, San Jose Astronomical Association. > Jim Van Nuland, Postmaster, sjpc.org > JVN's home page > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jane at whiteoaks.com Fri Apr 13 16:45:38 2001 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] How many SJAAers Message-ID: <3AD78FA2.BA84631D@whiteoaks.com> How many members do we have? I am doing a count of all the AANC clubs. Thanks, Jane -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Wed Apr 18 00:23:58 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] How many SJAAers References: <3AD78FA2.BA84631D@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <3ADD410E.971938F6@znet.com> >>How many members do we have?<< Do you mean actual paying members, paying members + freeloaders (nonpaying gratuity members like Machholtz, Gleason et al) or total list (including Foothill etc)? d From north at znet.com Wed Apr 18 08:50:14 2001 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] How many SJAAers References: <3AD78FA2.BA84631D@whiteoaks.com> <3ADD410E.971938F6@znet.com> Message-ID: <3ADDB7B4.5CA1852E@znet.com> Let's put it this way, Jane. Take away John Gleason, Machholtz et al and you end up with 293. But if you take them away, you might as well just forget SJAA. So, let's say 300 just for the sake of sanity. Dave From jvn at svpal.org Fri Apr 20 01:36:55 2001 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Change of address Message-ID: <3ADFF527.14EA@svpal.org> Hi, All, I've decided to switch my primary e-mail to jvn@svpal.org due to ongoing erratic performance with sjpc. I helped bring it into existence, and feel rather bad about leaving it, but I depend on the mail and can't tolerate the problems. I'll continue helping run it. The sysop has done heroic work trying to keep it up, but the situation is often not under his control. The sjpc address will not be deleted, but I will not check it as often as the new primary one. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's home page From bill at nineplanets.org Mon Apr 30 15:51:36 2001 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Belated request Message-ID: <200104302251.PAA09881@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Begin forwarded message: > From: Claire Holland > Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 03:00:45 PM US/Pacific > To: billa@nineplanets.org > Subject: Belated request > > Dear Sir, > > I am writing from The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose. This Friday > night (May 4th) The Tech is hosting an overnight camp in for 200 girl > scouts and 50 of their adult leaders. > > An activity that we thought may be interesting to offer is "urban > astronomy" from our roof top. We have run this program once before and > would like to try it again with a serious astronomer in the driving > seat. > > I appreciate that this is short notice and a long shot - but would you > know of anybody in your club who may be willing to come and host an > 'urban star viewing' party on our roof top this Friday (between 8 and 10 > pm) assuming that the sky is clear? (We do have low lights on the roof > top - but last time we put dark covers over them to reduce the ambient > light. We also have an elevator for transporting heavy equipment to the > roof!) > > Thank you for considering this request. If we cannot arrange anything in > this short time frame I'd like to discuss maybe collaborating for future > events (in July and September) when I'd like to offer a similar > opportunity for our younger visitors. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > Claire Holland > > ____________________________ > > Claire Holland > Public Programs Manager > The Tech Museum of Innovation > 201 South Market Street > San Jose, CA 95113-2008 > > Tel: 408 795 6229 > Fax: 408 279 7167 > > www.thetech.org > > "Inspiring the Innovator in Everyone" > > Business Offices: > 145 West San Carlos > San Jose, CA 95113 > _____________________________ > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Redwood City, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ 37 27 38 N 122 16 11 W From Paulm at catc.com Mon Apr 30 16:25:21 2001 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Belated request Message-ID: There is going to be a lot of moon all night. And being in downtown San Jose won't help either. With 200+ people, one person with a scope will die up there. We are going to need 4 or 5+ to give each person one look. In spite of all that, Jim if you could round up three people plus yourself, sigh me up. Still crazy after all these years paulm -----Original Message----- From: Bill Arnett [mailto:bill@nineplanets.org] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:52 PM To: sjaa-board@sjaa.net Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Belated request Begin forwarded message: > From: Claire Holland > Date: Mon Apr 30, 2001 03:00:45 PM US/Pacific > To: billa@nineplanets.org > Subject: Belated request > > Dear Sir, > > I am writing from The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose. This Friday > night (May 4th) The Tech is hosting an overnight camp in for 200 girl > scouts and 50 of their adult leaders. > > An activity that we thought may be interesting to offer is "urban > astronomy" from our roof top. We have run this program once before and > would like to try it again with a serious astronomer in the driving > seat. > > I appreciate that this is short notice and a long shot - but would you > know of anybody in your club who may be willing to come and host an > 'urban star viewing' party on our roof top this Friday (between 8 and 10 > pm) assuming that the sky is clear? (We do have low lights on the roof > top - but last time we put dark covers over them to reduce the ambient > light. We also have an elevator for transporting heavy equipment to the > roof!) > > Thank you for considering this request. If we cannot arrange anything in > this short time frame I'd like to discuss maybe collaborating for future > events (in July and September) when I'd like to offer a similar > opportunity for our younger visitors. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > Claire Holland > > ____________________________ > > Claire Holland > Public Programs Manager > The Tech Museum of Innovation > 201 South Market Street > San Jose, CA 95113-2008 > > Tel: 408 795 6229 > Fax: 408 279 7167 > > www.thetech.org > > "Inspiring the Innovator in Everyone" > > Business Offices: > 145 West San Carlos > San Jose, CA 95113 > _____________________________ > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Redwood City, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ 37 27 38 N 122 16 11 W _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jbartolini at juno.com Mon Apr 30 19:45:52 2001 From: jbartolini at juno.com (Jim Bartolini) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Belated request Message-ID: <20010430.194553.-3806815.0.jbartolini@juno.com> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:25:21 -0700 Paul Mancuso writes: > There is going to be a lot of moon all night. And being in downtown > San Jose > won't help either. > With 200+ people, one person with a scope will die up there. We are > going to > need 4 or 5+ to give each person one look. In spite of all that, Jim > if you > could round up three people plus yourself, sigh me up. I'll try to make it, although I can't promise anything at the moment.......I'll know more later. Jim ................. 8-) ================================================================= Jim Bartolini ================================================================= From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Apr 30 23:44:58 2001 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:12 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Belated request References: <200104302251.PAA09881@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3AEE5B6A.92F@aenet.net> Bill Arnett wrote on the board remailer: > > Dear Sir, > > > > I am writing from The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose. This Friday > > night (May 4th) The Tech is hosting an overnight camp in for 200 girl > > scouts and 50 of their adult leaders. > > > > An activity that we thought may be interesting to offer is "urban > > astronomy" from our roof top. We have run this program once before and > > would like to try it again with a serious astronomer in the driving > > seat. With the city lights and a nearly full Moon, the only things we could show reasonably well would be the Moon, Saturn, and Jupiter. Even some of the better star clusters and doubles won't be that great, but it sounds like they understand this. Having said all that, I could be talked into it if we'll be short on scopes. Let me know. For a group of 250 people we'll need at least three or four scopes, five or six would be better. Gary