From mojo at whiteoaks.com Mon Apr 1 10:38:09 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] online calendar ... Message-ID: SJAA board, I built a database-driven online calendar for the FPOA and myself. It's a little clunky but it works. Authorized folks can add, delete, and edit calendar items. Links can be added to items, and they can be color coded. I'd be happy to make one of these available to SJAA if someone is interested and willing to populate and maintain it. To see the fpoa calendar, look here: http://members.fpoa.net/ical.html Username: kevin Password: denni You can take a look at the calendar manager as well, just don't delete any events that I'll have to put back in. :) http://cal.fpoa.net/ Username: sjaa Password: sjaa I know the UI is klunky for the calendar manager, and I might spend some time on that. It also has some rough edges, like dates aren't validated before being recorded. It's a 1.0 version. :) When someone makes changes to the event database, the changes don't appear until a new calendar is generated with the "Draw Calendar" button. At that time a new calendar file is generated and made visible. (I'm not too concerned if you do anything to the FPOA calendar right now. You can't do anything to it that I can't undo, and nobody there is really paying any attention to it yet.) One other thing likely to raise complaints -- the calendar itself uses some modern layout devices such as style sheets. It really needs a fairly modern browser to look right and print right. I doubt if Netscape 4 will do a good job with it. Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Mon Apr 1 10:49:18 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] online calendar ... References: Message-ID: <3CA8ABAE.52981B23@znet.com> mojo: >>I doubt if Netscape 4 will do a good job with it.<< Just tried it with NS4.x Linux and it seemed fine. Don't know what it's "supposed" to look like but... well, let me try something else... Looks pretty good in Galeon/Linux. I get header bars that didn't show up in NS4, but it's no more readable. In Konqueror (KDE) it also shows boxes around each date, but the moons don't look as good. Well, that's stylesheets forya, but they all are workable. d From mgw at resource-intl.com Mon Apr 1 13:17:46 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] messier marathon star party Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401131148.00b9ce10@mail201.pair.com> Hi all, This is a topic I was (infamously) involved in years ago with the SJAA. I agree with JVN, the TAC approach is a good one. Gary's concern that people need to be subscribed to a high volume mailing list to see where others are going observing is incorrect, one can look at the web-based mailing list archive which is updated instantly. It seems to me there are many things the SJAA is very well equipped to do, but as decided by you all, having regularly scheduled out-of-town star parties is not one of them since nobody wants to be the SJAA representative and commit to being at the star party. OTOH, TAC is great at that. So, why not direct people to TAC's web-site to see where people are going? Its free, and many members of the SJAA already use it for just that purpose. Just another way for fellow club members to get information. Mark Wagner Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Gary Mitchell wrote: > > > Their main argument and worry is that if we announce "star party > > at XYZ" they couldn't be sure any of us would actually show up. > [snip] > > Personally, I don't like this approach. It doesn't give us any > > idea where to go to be with other members. > > The TAC mailing list is an interesting approach to the who, where, > when problem. They can turn on a dime: set up, cancel, move an event at > the whim of the weather. Since there is no pre-announced schedule, > there is no chance that someone goes up in the rain and wonders where > everyone is. If someone shows up in the rain and then wonders where everyone is, they need more help than what we can provide! ;) > Personally, I watch the discussion and decide where to go. Even if > I'm not going, I watch so that I can tell callers where to go. Part of the problem with that approach is it requires one to be a lot more "active" to find out where they should go. Besides, not everyone wants to be on the TAC list (because of the high volume). Furthermore, this tendency to turn on a dime, as you put it, makes it more difficult to keep up or to plan ahead. When we listed specific locations in the newsletter calendar, it was quick and simple. > There is another secret: we still schedule Coe each month, but don't > tell people ahead of time. What's the point? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020401/a62805cb/attachment.html From jvn at svpal.org Mon Apr 1 22:22:58 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] messier marathon star party References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401131148.00b9ce10@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3CA94E42.7252@svpal.org> Mark Wagner wrote: [snip] > So, why not direct people to TAC's web-site to see where people are > going? Its free, and many members of the SJAA already use it for > just that purpose. Indeed, that is what I regularly do. I tell them to read from the web, and then decide if they'd like to subscribe and contribute to the discussion. > > Gary Mitchell wrote: [snip] > Part of the problem with [the TAC] approach is it requires one to be > a lot more "active" to find out where they should go. True. But see below.... > [snip] Furthermore, this tendency to turn on a dime, as you > put it, makes it more difficult to keep up or to plan ahead. > When we listed specific locations in the newsletter calendar, > it was quick and simple. Yes, but since TAC *is* able to respond to changing weather, one stands a better chance of studying stars, not clouds. > > There is another secret: we still schedule Coe each > > month, but don't tell people ahead of time. > > What's the point? So that it's available. It's not truly a secret; look at the calendar material on the SJAA site, and one can dig out the Coe dates. It's encoded in the tabular schedule that I prepare each year, the one we pass around on this list. There is a "c" after Coe dates. It is not uncommon that someone posts the date on TAC when the site-choosing begins. And TAC members are welcome at Coe on those dates, as SJAA members are welcome at TAC sites. (The gate rules at Dinosaur Point must be followed, but that is regularly posted.) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jane at whiteoaks.com Tue Apr 2 11:19:16 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] messier marathon star party References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401131148.00b9ce10@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3CAA0434.1040403@whiteoaks.com> Mark Wagner wrote: >So, why not direct people to TAC's web-site to see where people are >going? Its free, and many members of the SJAA already use it for >just that purpose. Just another way for fellow club members to get >information. > I agree with JVN and MW. This is a great suggestion, and you don't have to be a "member" of TAC to read the posts. No mailbox clutter need occur, unless you choose. You can read the posts by just going to the TAC archives when you are interested in checking it out. Speaking of clutter in mail boxes :-), Mojo and I maintain an email list for astronomy enthusiasts we meet out on the San Francisco sidewalk when we have telescopes out. The list has about 300 people on it right now. We tell them when we'll be out on the sidewalk, but we also promote all the bay area free or public astronomy events. These are mostly SF folks, so we do tend to concentrate on the closer-to-SF events, but I always include SJAA and FPOA events because I am active there. You don't have to be on the email list to read the posts, less than 10 a month. You can read them off the archives, just like TAC, if you are interested. You are welcome to join or to use this information. Over the past few days I've sent these posts for April Events: Star Party Etiquette http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2002-March/000111.html Bay Area Outdoor Astronomy for April http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2002-March/000113.html Yosemite Star parties this summer http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2002-March/000112.html Bay Area Indoor Astronomy for April http://www.sfsidewalkastronomers.org/pipermail/sfevents/2002-April/000114.html -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Apr 2 09:45:42 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] messier marathon star party Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402094102.03ba0d60@mail201.pair.com> GM said.... > > [snip] Furthermore, this tendency to turn on a dime, as you > put it, > makes it more difficult to keep up or to plan ahead. > When we listed > specific locations in the newsletter calendar, > it was quick and simple. and JVN replied: >Yes, but since TAC *is* able to respond to changing weather, one stands a >better chance of studying stars, not clouds. And... there is a *much* better chance of finding other observers when things are coordinated in "near real time" :-) I recall people showing up at SJAA star parties only to find themselves *alone*. Isn't that why the SJAA board decided to not schedule monthly star parties? To avoid those situations? TAC's approach minimizes those situations. Clear skies, Mark ps - Jim... thanks for keeping Coe available for everyone! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gary From Sol.Man at IndigoSkies.com Wed Apr 3 22:29:34 2002 From: Sol.Man at IndigoSkies.com (Mark Taylor) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] DST Correction Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403221856.00ae8730@xxx.xxx> Hi boardies and board-list subscribers, A minor correction which applies to various** places... In the US, DST always begins and ends when the clock strikes 2am local time (i.e. in spring 2 becomes 3, in fall 2 becomes 1). (Though in Europe it switches at 1am GMT, all at once across all zones) **Places I've noticed the error are: Ephemeris PDF & HTML (and print, not that there's much to do about that one), the hotline message, online hotline text, and the 2002-at-a-glance calendar web page. Fortunately not the APDs, which would be really hard to update at this point ;-) Cheers, Mark From mojo at whiteoaks.com Sun Apr 14 17:20:23 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] new officers? Message-ID: Did the board elect new officers at the last meeting? Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Mon Apr 15 00:14:08 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] May Ephemeris is put to bed Message-ID: The May SJAA Ephemeris has been delivered to the printer. You can see a preview of it here: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0205/EphMay02.pdf Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jvn at svpal.org Mon Apr 15 00:02:44 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] ARTICLE: Directors, Officers elected References: Message-ID: <3CBA7B14.73FE@svpal.org> Morris Jones wrote: > > Did the board elect new officers at the last meeting? We did, and I'm utterly certain that I wrote an article for you, with "ARTICLE" in the subject line. But I can't find it in my mail files, so presumably (1) I'm getting more senile than before; or (2) I wrote it all right, but the computer crashed and the note got lost. So here goes again. I will start with the earlier board election, which also needs to be reported in the Ephemeris. It is slightly wordy so as to explain the process. ============================================================ Board of Directors elected The February meeting is designated as the Corporation's Annual Meeting, whose main business is the election of the Board of Directors. Directors serve two-year terms, with four directors elected in even-numbered years, and five elected in odd years. Candidates must be SJAA members for at least one year. Bill Arnett and Mark Taylor declined to stand for re-election. We thank them for their years of service, and for their ongoing contributions to SJAA. Replacing them are David Smith and Steve Nelson, each their first time on the Board. Re-elected were Gary Mitchell and Mike Koop. In addition, Jim Bartolini, Jim Van Nuland, Paul Mancuso, Bill O'Shaughnessy, and Bob Havner all have another year to go. At the March meeting, the new Board will elect its officers for one-year terms. Officers are chosen from the Board. Board meetings are held at 6:30 preceding each general meeting. They are open to all. ============================================================ SJAA Board elects officers At the March 30 meeting of the Board of Directors, officers were elected for the coming year. There were no changes: President: Mike Koop Vice-President: Bob Havner Treasurer: Gary Mitchell Secretary: Jim Van Nuland Officers are elected from the newly-constituted Board, and serve for one year, starting immediately on completion of the vote. Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, SJAA ======================================================== Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jane at whiteoaks.com Mon Apr 15 01:10:44 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: ARTICLE: Directors, Officers elected References: <3CBA7B14.73FE@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3CBA8B04.10004@whiteoaks.com> We did get this before the March meeting. Our question was referring to the sentence: At the March meeting, the new Board will elect its officers for one-year terms. Officers are chosen from the Board. Were officers elected and who are they? We were sick and missed the March meeting and did not get any note or announcement from the board. So we just wanted to know if this happened and who was elected. Since we didn't hear anything, we just assumed there is no change to the officers since last year. your co-editor, Jane Jim Van Nuland wrote: >Morris Jones wrote: > >>Did the board elect new officers at the last meeting? >> > > We did, and I'm utterly certain that I wrote an article for you, with >"ARTICLE" in the subject line. But I can't find it in my mail files, so >presumably (1) I'm getting more senile than before; or (2) I wrote it >all right, but the computer crashed and the note got lost. So here goes >again. I will start with the earlier board election, which also needs >to be reported in the Ephemeris. It is slightly wordy so as to explain >the process. > > ============================================================ > > Board of Directors elected > > The February meeting is designated as the Corporation's Annual >Meeting, whose main business is the election of the Board of Directors. > > Directors serve two-year terms, with four directors elected in >even-numbered years, and five elected in odd years. Candidates must be >SJAA members for at least one year. > > Bill Arnett and Mark Taylor declined to stand for re-election. We >thank them for their years of service, and for their ongoing >contributions to SJAA. > > Replacing them are David Smith and Steve Nelson, each their first time >on the Board. Re-elected were Gary Mitchell and Mike Koop. > > In addition, Jim Bartolini, Jim Van Nuland, Paul Mancuso, Bill >O'Shaughnessy, and Bob Havner all have another year to go. > > At the March meeting, the new Board will elect its officers for >one-year terms. Officers are chosen from the Board. > > Board meetings are held at 6:30 preceding each general meeting. They >are open to all. > > ============================================================ > > SJAA Board elects officers > > At the March 30 meeting of the Board of Directors, officers were >elected for the coming year. There were no changes: > > President: Mike Koop > Vice-President: Bob Havner > Treasurer: Gary Mitchell > Secretary: Jim Van Nuland > > Officers are elected from the newly-constituted Board, and serve for >one year, starting immediately on completion of the vote. > >Jim Van Nuland, >Secretary, SJAA > > ======================================================== > >Clear Skies! > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Mon Apr 15 08:25:37 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] May Ephemeris is put to bed References: Message-ID: <3CBAF0F1.D3520C63@znet.com> Will get in touch with Roger... d From mgw at resource-intl.com Wed Apr 17 15:19:50 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 dates Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417150603.00b71180@mail201.pair.com> I spoke with head ranger Tom Shephard at Lake San Antonio this afternoon. Dates for CalStar 2002 are: Nites of Thursday 9/5 thought Saturday 9/7. Vacate on 9/8. The park will still be somewhat busy that weekend, since it is early in the month. We could, if we wanted to, push this out to the first weekend (new moon) in October... longer nights... cooler daytime temps.... less people in the park. Yes? No? Big BBQ is already requested. That was a huge hit. This year we may want to look at earlier promotion of the event through AANC's newsletter editor's mailing list, S&T / Astronomy magazines, friends in southern California clubs contacting those newsletter editors, an updated web-page and on sci.astro.amateur. If there are sufficient sign-ups we could look at: A large tent A food concession Before proceeding though, I need to have the SJAA board vote the event into existence as an SJAA star party. Other ideas from the SJAA board are welcome.... MIke... send me the group photo from last year.... Mark From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Apr 17 16:02:47 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 dates References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417150603.00b71180@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3CBDFF17.4020507@whiteoaks.com> I have an astronomer friend who moved near LSA to the outskirts? of Paso Robles last year. Last year he wished the event was in October rather than September because the temps are cooler in October. I don't know how warm it was during the day at LSA as I stayed in his air conditioned house. :-) I'm not on the board, so I won't vote or anything When info is ready, we can post it on the AANC website, and send to the 25+ AANC club editors list for inclusion in the newsletters and also send to the AANC contacts list made up of 2 folks from each of the nearly 40 AANC groups. They, in turn send out to their own e-groups, bulletin boards, etc. JHJ Mark Wagner wrote: > The park will still be somewhat busy that weekend, since it is early > in the month. We could, if we wanted to, push this out to the first > weekend (new moon) in October... longer nights... cooler daytime > temps.... less people in the park. Yes? No? -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL Wed Apr 17 16:06:01 2002 From: bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (Bartolini, Jim) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 dates Message-ID: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A910D491@POMMAIL1> >>From: Mark Wagner >>We could, if we wanted to, push this out to the first weekend >>new moon) in October... longer nights... cooler daytime temps >>.... less people in the park. Yes? No? I personally could handle either September or October...although the idea of an October event (for the reasons mentioned above) sounds rather tempting...... Jim ........ 8-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020417/6015a79c/attachment.html From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Thu Apr 18 08:44:49 2002 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: Fall Speaker (fwd) Message-ID: October date confirmed for Brother Guy. Mike ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:09:26 -0700 From: Nancy J. Knoche To: Michael Koop Subject: Re: Fall Speaker Yes, he is still on for October 19th. The presentations in San Jose are for a private organization and they are not open to the public. Sorry! Nancy Knoche Michael Koop wrote: > > Hi Nancy, > What's the latest on Brother Guy speaking on the October 19th date? > Hope he can make it then since I can be there also. I'll be observing the > Leonids from somewhere on the November date. > > Thanks! > > Mike > > BTW, I read on the Friends of Guy site that he will be in our area for a > Series of Legatus talks on April 23/24 in the SJ/SF area. Do you have any > details? > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Michael Koop wrote: > > > Hi Nancy, > > No problem. October 19th is still open. Let me know once you confirm the > > date. Thanks again. > > > > Mike > > > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Nancy J. Knoche wrote: > > > > > Mike > > > > > > News flash - can we make it the October date? Guy just mentioned to me > > > that this would work better for him. If it is too late, let me know.. > > > > > > Nancy K > > > > > > Michael Koop wrote: > > > > > > > > Great! November 16th it will be. Thanks for thinking of us. Does Brother > > > > Guy know what the title of the talk will be so that we can include it in > > > > the newsletter? BTW, you might also want to put the link of our website on > > > > any announcement you might make like in the Friends of Guy site. The link > > > > is > > > > http://www.sjaa.net. > > > > Thanks again and we look forward to hearing the talk. > > > > > > > > Mike Koop > > > > President, SJAA > > > > > > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Nancy J. Knoche wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike > > > > > > > > > > The November 16th date works best for everyone here. Please confirm > > > > > that this date is open and we will be set! > > > > > > > > > > Nancy Knoche > > > > > Vatican Observatory Foundation > > > > > > > > > > Michael Koop wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nancy, > > > > > > Yes, we would be interested in having Brother Guy Consolmagno speaking to > > > > > > our club. Our general meetings happen on Saturday during Full Moon > > > > > > weekends, so the two availible dates are October 19th and November 16th. > > > > > > The meetings are planed so that they do not conflict with weekends that > > > > > > most people would be observing. Hopefully, this will work with Brother > > > > > > Consolmagno's schedule. Let me know what weekend would work best and what > > > > > > topic he will be covering. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Koop > > > > > > President, SJAA > > > > > > email: koopm@best.com > > > > > > work phone: (408)473-6315 > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Facts about the San Jose Astronomical Association (SJAA) > > > > > > > > snip > > > > From bhavner at earthlink.net Thu Apr 18 17:01:13 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] 2002 Update Message-ID: Mike has confirmed Brother Guy Consolmagno for October. Here is the latest speaker update. May 18 Tim Castellano Planet Transit Search Project June 22 Robert Naeye The Great Pluto Debate July 27 Ken Lum Bernhard V. Schmidt talk Aug.24 Juanita Ryan Antarctica Meteor Trip Oct. 19 Brother Guy Consolmango of the Vatican Observatory Bob Havner San Jose Astronomical Association bhavner@earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1784 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020418/79cf5713/winmail.bin From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Apr 19 01:44:31 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 dates References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417150603.00b71180@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3CBFD8EF.5430@aenet.net> Mark Wagner wrote: > > I spoke with head ranger Tom Shephard at Lake San Antonio this afternoon. > > Dates for CalStar 2002 are: > > Nites of Thursday 9/5 thought Saturday 9/7. Vacate on 9/8. > > The park will still be somewhat busy that weekend, since it is early in the > month. We could, if we wanted to, push this out to the first weekend (new > moon) in October... longer nights... cooler daytime temps.... less people > in the park. Yes? No? Personally, I would much prefer the cooler weather. The longer nights are most welcome too. > Before proceeding though, I need to have the SJAA board vote the event into > existence as an SJAA star party. Sounds good to me. Gary From north at znet.com Fri Apr 19 10:04:07 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Current Membership Numbers Message-ID: <3CC04E07.EF3FD922@znet.com> The good news: since the last report, six new members signed up. The bad news; 10-12 expired without re-upping. Consequently, we now have a total mailing list of 289, of which 273 are paying members. Okay, so the "expired" number is not precise -- this has to do with the date when they expired, and I'm not sure if two of them were accounted for last month. The final numbers, however, are right on, and we appear to have had another declining month. Those who did send a reply (three) to queries were unanimous: don't have time to spend on astronomy any more. Dave From jvn at svpal.org Wed Apr 24 21:31:16 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] ARTICLE: CALENDAR for July & Aug Ephemeris Message-ID: <3CC78694.29E9@svpal.org> Hi Morris, Jane, et al, Here's the calendar notes for the July newsletter. I return on May 28, but that'll be a busy time, so I've prepared this early. August 2 -Fr- Astronomy Class VIII 2 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 8:14 pm, 33% moon rise 1:22 am. 3 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 8:10 pm, 24% moon rise 2:00 am. 10 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 8:04 pm, 8% moon sets 9:48 pm. 16 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 7:58 pm, 69% moon sets 1:19 am. 24 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. Juanita Ryan, on Antarctica Meteor Trip 30 -Fr- Astronomy Class IX 30 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 7:39 pm, 50% moon rise 11:54 pm. 31 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Speakers: May Tim Castellano June Robert Naeye July Ken Lum Aug. Juanita Ryan Sept Slide/Equipment or Fall Swap? Oct. Br. Guy Consolmagno Nov. open Dec. open School star parties: Possible May 24, Milpitas Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From mgw at resource-intl.com Sun Apr 28 10:02:00 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020428095115.02980fa0@mail201.pair.com> On the 17th of this month I asked... "The park will still be somewhat busy that weekend, since it is early in the month. We could, if we wanted to, push this out to the first weekend (new moon) in October... longer nights... cooler daytime temps.... less people in the park. Yes? No? " The replies I had were from Jane, who suggested October and graciously offered to help publicize the event (thank you Jane!), Gary for October, and Jim B who said either is fine. I had also said... "Before proceeding though, I need to have the SJAA board vote the event into existence as an SJAA star party." but have heard nothing from the board to date. Seeing that there is no board meeting this month, and I have not had much in the way of a commitment from the SJAA board via this e-mail list, I am in a quandry about proceeding. Do I need to wait for the board meeting at the end of May to get an answer? That would really compress the amount of time to organize and publicize the event. Mike Koop did ask about weather patterns between Sept and Oct. The difference in average precipitation between the months in negligible ... the temps average 8 degrees cooler daytime and get (on average) to the low 40's at night in October. Can I hear from the board members on this? If there are 9 of you, I need to know 5 will vote to have the SJAA sponsor the star party, as it did last year. Thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020428/444eb2db/attachment.html From bhavner at earthlink.net Sun Apr 28 16:47:32 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020428095115.02980fa0@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: Mark, According to the calendar I have CalStar is an SJAA event although it is shown as in Sept. That can easily be changed to Oct. I vote yes to changing Cal Star from Sept. to October. Bob Havner Can I hear from the board members on this? If there are 9 of you, I need to know 5 will vote to have the SJAA sponsor the star party, as it did last year. Thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020428/6bbb0d30/attachment.html From north at znet.com Sun Apr 28 17:54:19 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input References: Message-ID: <3CCC99BB.3A381A04@znet.com> Since there is no financial impact to the club, it is not necessary to make any public notice of proceedings, etc. I don't remember how the "unanimous if not at a regular meeting" rule worked out (I think that was supposed to eventually change to 6of9 but don't know if it did), but Mark is right in pointing out that a promise of five votes at the regular meeting is enough for him to proceed. Get on it people. He's busting a ham for you. d From jvn at svpal.org Sun Apr 28 21:04:40 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:15 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input References: Message-ID: <3CCCC658.6DCC@svpal.org> Bob Havner wrote: > > Mark, > > According to the calendar I have CalStar is an SJAA event although > it is shown as in Sept. That can easily be changed to Oct. I'll vote to support Mark on his choice, September or October. Consider this a proxy for the May 18 board meeting. I presume the dates would be Oct.3 - 7. The new moon is on the 6th, but this is not much of an issue; the maximum impact is the morning of Oct.4, when the moon rises about an hour before astronomical twilight. Later dates are essentially moonless. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Mon Apr 29 00:05:26 2002 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues Message-ID: Jim Van Nuland has agreed to contact the Houge Park folks before he goes on vacation. Jim and I discussed various issues he might want to bring up with the staff when he makes the reservations for the classes and the swap. Two things to add to the schedule: a) ATM Class We will continue with the successful twice monthly, Thursday / Saturday Schedule. I think I have selected OK dates taking into consideration the General Meeting and Holidays. Let me know if you see any conflicts or issues. 6/27/02 Thursday 7/20/02 Saturday 8/1/02 Thursday 8/17/02 Saturday 8/29/02 Thursday 9/14/02 Saturday 9/26/02 Thursday 10/12/02 Saturday 10/24/02 Thursday 11/9/02 Saturday 11/21/02 Thursday 12/5/02 Thursday 12/21/02 Saturday b) Fall Swap The Leonid meteor shower will be on Sunday Night, November 17th close to the full moon. I think there will be interest from the club, so I suggest we move the fall swap to the first quarter Sunday on November 10th. Other Issues to discuss with the Houge (Kirk Center?) Staff A) When will the bathrooms be finished? I had a recommendation from a previous board member to move all meetings to another location if they are not promptly repaired. Our ATM class is also suffering without easy access to water. B) Can we get a cabinet to store some stuff in? We are one of the larger users of this Park. We have 6 meetings a month there (1 GM, 2 SP, 1 Beginners Observational Class, 2 ATM), all available free to the public. We really need to have one metal cabinet there. We will be able to make it more secure than the other cabinets currently in the room and will keep items in the cabinet that don't have great value. I suspect we would keep the coffee maker, slide projector, overhead projector, old S&T's for distribution at star parties, a possible library of books or videotapes. C) We are starting to run out of chairs for the General Meeting. It must be all the great speakers Bob has been bringing in. Also we need access to more tables for the swap and auction. D) The backroom for turning out the lights is a disaster. We have no clear path to the circuit breakers and are forced to climb over what ever is in the way. E) We need to make sure the sprinklers do not go off on Friday Nights when we have a Star Party there. I have faxed the schedule to Bill Houseman in the past. Find out if the Houge or Kirk Center Staff want to contact the grounds people or prefer if we do it. This is important to take care of now that we are in Daylights Savings Time. F) A member told me after the last general meeting that she could not hear the speaker. Can we get access to a speaker system and a lectern? As a club, we might look into purchasing one. Any other issues to bring up? Send them on in. We might find the new staff at the park very accommodating to our suggestions. Mike From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Apr 29 01:28:27 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction results, etc. Message-ID: <3CCD042B.30EA@aenet.net> We did pretty well this year at the SJAA auction. Commission on auction: $ 952.41 (includes $1 bidder fee & donations) Commission on swap: $ 286.60 profit on sodas: $ 8.40 ($21.60 cost, sold 30 cans @ $1 ea) Total net: $1247.41 We also finally sold the last of the RASC Observer Handbooks and the last of the Messier books: RASC Calendar $ 30.00 net ($70 cost, sold 10 @ $10 ea) RASC Obs. Handbook $ 45.00 net ($405 cost, sold 30 @ $15 ea) Messier Marathon book $ 45.00 net ($105 cost, sold 15 @ $10 ea) We still have quite a few APDs left. I've got 11 and Mike Koop has some (don't know how many). If any of this wants to find its way into the Ephemeris, it's OK with me... I guess it's up to the board. If anyone is interested in more details as to how the auction finances broke down, it's all in Jim's auction program. I counted 42 bidders, but I probably missed some, the highest bidder number was in the mid fifties. I have one question for the board: I already know that book profits should go into the equipment fund, what about the rest? Gary Mitchell SJAA treasurer From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Apr 29 02:17:50 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020428095115.02980fa0@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3CCD0FBE.6A4@aenet.net> Mark Wagner wrote: > I had also said... > > "Before proceeding though, I need to have the SJAA board vote the > event into existence as an SJAA star party." > > but have heard nothing from the board to date. [snip] > Can I hear from the board members on this? If there are 9 of you, I > need to know 5 will vote to have the SJAA sponsor the star party, as > it did last year. When I mentioned preferring the October date, I also indicated I was in favor of it in general, but just to be formal about it... I vote yes. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Apr 29 02:57:00 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues References: Message-ID: <3CCD18EC.202@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > Other Issues to discuss with the Houge (Kirk Center?) Staff [snip] > D) The backroom for turning out the lights is a disaster. We have no clear > path to the circuit breakers and are forced to climb over what ever is in > the way. I don't know this for sure, but suspect that could be a code violation. Merely suggesting that possibility may be enough to get them to do something about it. > E) We need to make sure the sprinklers do not go off on Friday Nights when > we have a Star Party there. I'm more worried about them going *on*. ;) Does anyone know if the sprinkler controls are also in that back room? > F) A member told me after the last general meeting that she could not hear > the speaker. Can we get access to a speaker system and a lectern? As a > club, we might look into purchasing one. It's not that big of a room. However, I suppose a soft-spoken speaker with a few hard-of-hearing audience members... It wouldn't have to be much, a small portable amp and couple of moderate speakers. We could even get a wireless microphone if we want to go all out. We managed a $250 "cool-green" laser pointer after all. :) Regarding a cabinet, more chairs & tables, etc.... If we offered to leave the audio system there for others to use, it might give us more clout for some of the other things we want, and wouldn't really cost us anything. The only problem is we'd have to come up with a way for it to be available without it growing legs and walking away. Gary From bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL Mon Apr 29 07:42:07 2002 From: bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (Bartolini, Jim) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues Message-ID: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A96D3AF0@POMMAIL1> >>From: Michael Koop [SMTP:koopm@koopm.best.vwh.net] >>The Leonid meteor shower will be on Sunday Night, November 17th close to >>the full moon. I think there will be interest from the club, so I suggest >>we move the fall swap to the first quarter Sunday on November 10th. Sounds okey to me. Jim .............. :-) ================================================== Jim Bartolini ================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020429/d50e21f7/attachment.html From Paulm at catc.com Mon Apr 29 08:17:05 2002 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input Message-ID: I vote yes too. paulm -----Original Message----- From: Bob Havner [mailto:bhavner@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:48 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: RE: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input Mark, According to the calendar I have CalStar is an SJAA event although it is shown as in Sept. That can easily be changed to Oct. I vote yes to changing Cal Star from Sept. to October. Bob Havner Can I hear from the board members on this? If there are 9 of you, I need to know 5 will vote to have the SJAA sponsor the star party, as it did last year. Thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020429/67cf2ebe/attachment.html From mgw at resource-intl.com Mon Apr 29 08:25:03 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020429082303.02539bf0@mail201.pair.com> Thank you. October it is. I'll proceed with arrangements and report back to this list. Mark At 08:17 AM 4/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I vote yes too. > > > >paulm > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Havner [mailto:bhavner@earthlink.net] >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:48 PM >To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net >Subject: RE: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input > > > >Mark, > > > > According to the calendar I have CalStar is an SJAA event although it > is shown as in Sept. That can easily be changed to Oct. > > > >I vote yes to changing Cal Star from Sept. to October. > > > >Bob Havner > >Can I hear from the board members on this? If there are 9 of you, I need >to know 5 will vote to have the SJAA sponsor the star party, as it did >last year. > >Thanks, > >Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020429/0d599ef9/attachment.html From david_r_smith at agilent.com Mon Apr 29 08:51:57 2002 From: david_r_smith at agilent.com (david_r_smith@agilent.com) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar 2002 ... need SJAA board input Message-ID: I vote aye. David Smith > I'll vote to support Mark on his choice, September or October. > Consider this a proxy for the May 18 board meeting. From david_r_smith at agilent.com Mon Apr 29 08:57:41 2002 From: david_r_smith at agilent.com (david_r_smith@agilent.com) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues Message-ID: > b) Fall Swap > The Leonid meteor shower will be on Sunday Night, November > 17th close to > the full moon. I think there will be interest from the club, > so I suggest > we move the fall swap to the first quarter Sunday on November 10th. Does it have to be on a Sunday? From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Apr 29 10:04:49 2002 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020429170449.GA13732@shallowsky.com> Michael Koop writes: > Any other issues to bring up? Send them on in. We might find the new staff > at the park very accommodating to our suggestions. The restroom situation at Houge is abysmal. I ventured into the porta-potty early in the day Sunday, before the auction started, and I don't even want to know what it was like later. I certainly didn't buy any cokes! One porta-potty, which isn't even cleaned out on weekends, for a whole heavily used public park, is a problem that they really should address if they aren't planning to open the real restrooms for six months. A few experiences like that and you start thinking about all the other things you could be doing (in nicer places) on SJAA meeting nights. ...Akkana From bill at nineplanets.org Mon Apr 29 11:02:12 2002 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues In-Reply-To: <3CCD18EC.202@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3B2ACFAE-5B9B-11D6-8638-0030655A4BEC@nineplanets.org> > .... A member told me after the last general meeting that she could not > hear > the speaker. Can we get access to a speaker system and a lectern? ... I don't get to vote any more :-) but I'm pretty skeptical of an audio system in that room. It might very well make things worse. A better solution is probably just to ask the hard of hearing folks to sit up front. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org Redwood City, CA USA http://nineplanets.org/ 37 27 38 N 122 16 11 W From jvn at svpal.org Mon Apr 29 11:48:50 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues References: Message-ID: <3CCD9592.5DD1@svpal.org> david_r_smith@agilent.com wrote: > > > b) Fall Swap > > we move the fall swap to the first quarter Sunday on November 10th. > > Does it have to be on a Sunday? Yes. On Saturyday afternoons, the hall is subject to pre-emption by a child-care program. This happens even if they don't have anything scheduled as late as Tuesday -- we got bumped over to the other hall. After twice in a row, we decided to do it on Sunday. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Mon Apr 29 12:57:27 2002 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues In-Reply-To: <3CCD9592.5DD1@svpal.org> Message-ID: Jim, Could you check and see if the class still meets on Saturday afternoons? Mike On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jim Van Nuland wrote: > david_r_smith@agilent.com wrote: > > > > > b) Fall Swap > > > > we move the fall swap to the first quarter Sunday on November 10th. > > > > Does it have to be on a Sunday? > > Yes. On Saturyday afternoons, the hall is subject to pre-emption by a > child-care program. This happens even if they don't have anything > scheduled as late as Tuesday -- we got bumped over to the other hall. > > After twice in a row, we decided to do it on Sunday. > > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association > JVN's web site > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From jvn at svpal.org Mon Apr 29 23:17:39 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Houge Park Calendar and Issues References: Message-ID: <3CCE3703.2815@svpal.org> Michael Koop wrote: > > Jim Van Nuland has agreed to contact the Houge Park folks before he > goes on vacation. The person who does the scheduling is Ray Hidalgo, 369-1850. His office is at Houge, in the second building, behind a door on the east wall. When I was there in December, there was no sign on the door. It's nearly to the far end of the west wall. He couldn't have me come in today, but gave me an e-address, so I'll send him the dates. I'll copy you. Ray said he'd talk to the fellow who does the sprinklers. He thought the rest rooms would be complete in about a week. Their grand opening is mid-May, the 16th I think. So that's probably a fairly reliable target date. I didn't think to ask about storage or the junky back room. I probably should ask about that in e-mail separate from the dates, so as to keep the tasks separated for him. Dates first. I'll try to keep my e-mail running, but on Thursday we drive to Ohio until Tuesday. If the hotel reservations lady is correct, I'll be able to connect and dial out from the rooms. Believe it when you get mail from me. After Tuesday (May 7) I should have daily e-mail. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site