From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Aug 1 04:13:36 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA's financial accounting References: <3D45EEF2.383F@aenet.net> <20020731190510.GB21202@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <3D4917E0.6FA5@aenet.net> Akkana wrote: > The only problem with buying older laptops is getting batteries that > work, so it might help to decide whether that's important -- does > it matter whether the treasurer can fire up the accounting program > in the Houge or Fremont Peak parking lot without using an inverter > and car battery? I could rig up something that would allow it to run from a 12 V Gel-Cell, if its power pack puts out DC. I don't expect to do a lot of financial work at star parties, ;) but we could use it for information display at public star parties and meetings. Gary From jvn at svpal.org Thu Aug 1 16:25:10 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA's financial accounting References: <3D45EEF2.383F@aenet.net> <20020731190510.GB21202@shallowsky.com> <3D4917E0.6FA5@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3D49C356.1EE6@svpal.org> Gary Mitchell wrote: > I could rig up something that would allow it to run from a 12 V > Gel-Cell, if its power pack puts out DC. I could donate my elderly GRiD, which can run from 12 volts. Runs at a blazing 20 MHz. Has a math co-processor. Remember when some silly people thought "ordinary" people didn't need that?? > but we could use it for > information display at public star parties and meetings. Oh, oh. The thing has a small monochrome screen, just 8 shades of gray. Not the tool to show pictures Sometimes "free" is not a good deal. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From mgw at resource-intl.com Mon Aug 5 16:36:58 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Blue? In-Reply-To: <3D49C356.1EE6@svpal.org> References: <3D45EEF2.383F@aenet.net> <20020731190510.GB21202@shallowsky.com> <3D4917E0.6FA5@aenet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805163340.00bb49c0@mail201.pair.com> My Ephemeris just arrived.... a blue newsletter? This would be fun to do on months with a blue moon! Mark Wagner Click TAC for SF bay area observing! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/defanged-1 Size: 287 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020805/7824c75a/attachment.bin From bill at nineplanets.org Tue Aug 6 11:55:38 2002 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation Message-ID: <18BC1DDB-A96E-11D6-AB30-0030655A4BEC@nineplanets.org> Craig: I'm forwarding this to some folks who can straighten it out. Boardies: who should I list on the website as "membership chairman"? Begin forwarded message: > From: Craig Scull > Date: Tue Aug 06, 2002 09:50:55 AM US/Pacific > To: bill@nineplanets.org > Subject: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation > > Hi Bill > > I'm an SJAA member looking for our membership chairman's > email address. I tried to find the membership chairman > in the list of officers on the SJAA web site, but there > was no listing. > > When I recently renewed my SJAA membership I forgot to > renew my S&T subscription at the same time. The kind > folks at S&T will give me the member discount if the SJAA > membership calls or emails S&T to verify that I am a > current SJAA member. > > Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm not sure how I > overlooked this! > > Thanks > .-==Craig > > > --- custserv@SkyandTelescope.com wrote: >> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:03:56 -0400 >> To: Craig Scull >> From: custserv@SkyandTelescope.com >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Order Confirmation >> >> Dear Mr Scull >> >> You need to contact your club and have your club >> spokesperson call us at >> 1-800-253-0245 or email us and have them tell us you >> are still a member of >> the club so we can make your subscription a club >> subscription and give you >> a credit on your credit card for $10.00. In the future, >> you need to give >> the money to your club and have the club send in your >> money in order to >> receive the club rate >> >> Thank You >> >> Anna Tanner >> Customer Service >> >> >> At 05:40 PM 8/5/02 -0700, you wrote: >>> I forgot to renew my S&T subscription when I renewed >> my >>> local astronomy club subscription. Can I still get a >>> discount? My astronomy club is SJAA - San Jose >>> Astronomical Association >>> >>> http://www.sjaa.net/ >>> >>> Thanks for any help >>> .-==Craig >>> >>> >>> --- orders@skyandtelescope.com wrote: >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Order Confirmation >>>> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:11:10 -0400 >>>> >>>> Thank you for ordering from Shop at Sky. >>>> >>>> Your order number is: 11803 >>>> >>>> Billing name and address: >>>> Craig Scull >>>> 633 S 8th St Apt 3 >>>> San Jose CA 95112 >>>> United States of America >>>> 408-692-9317 >>>> >>>> Shipping name and address: >>>> Craig Scull >>>> 633 S 8th St Apt 3 >>>> San Jose CA 95112 >>>> United States of America >>>> 408-692-9317 >>>> >>>> Quantity Item no. & description >> >>>> Price >>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >>>> 1 STUS1 >> >>>> $39.95 >>>> Sky & Telescope Subscription - US and >>>> Possessions 1 Year STUS1 >>>> >>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >>>> >> >>>> SubTotal $39.95 >>>> >> >>>> Total $39.95 >>>> >>>> If you have any question about your order, please >>>> contact customer service. >>>> >>>> E-mail: custserv@SkyandTelescope.com >>>> Phone: 800-253-0245 (outside the U.S. and Canada, >>>> +1-617-864-7360) >>>> Fax: 617-864-6117 >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >>> http://health.yahoo.com >>> >>> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL Tue Aug 6 13:08:23 2002 From: bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (Bartolini, Jim) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation Message-ID: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9BCF04F@POMMAIL1> I guess the most likely candidate would be JVN..........? Jim .............. :-) ================================================== Jim Bartolini ================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Arnett [SMTP:bill@nineplanets.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:56 AM > To: Board SJAA; Dave North > Cc: Craig Scull > Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation > > Craig: I'm forwarding this to some folks who can straighten it out. > > Boardies: who should I list on the website as "membership chairman"? > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Craig Scull > > Date: Tue Aug 06, 2002 09:50:55 AM US/Pacific > > To: bill@nineplanets.org > > Subject: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation > > > > Hi Bill > > > > I'm an SJAA member looking for our membership chairman's > > email address. I tried to find the membership chairman > > in the list of officers on the SJAA web site, but there > > was no listing. > > > > When I recently renewed my SJAA membership I forgot to > > renew my S&T subscription at the same time. The kind > > folks at S&T will give me the member discount if the SJAA > > membership calls or emails S&T to verify that I am a > > current SJAA member. > > > > Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm not sure how I > > overlooked this! > > > > Thanks > > .-==Craig > > > > > > --- custserv@SkyandTelescope.com wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:03:56 -0400 > >> To: Craig Scull > >> From: custserv@SkyandTelescope.com > >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Order Confirmation > >> > >> Dear Mr Scull > >> > >> You need to contact your club and have your club > >> spokesperson call us at > >> 1-800-253-0245 or email us and have them tell us you > >> are still a member of > >> the club so we can make your subscription a club > >> subscription and give you > >> a credit on your credit card for $10.00. In the future, > >> you need to give > >> the money to your club and have the club send in your > >> money in order to > >> receive the club rate > >> > >> Thank You > >> > >> Anna Tanner > >> Customer Service > >> > >> > >> At 05:40 PM 8/5/02 -0700, you wrote: > >>> I forgot to renew my S&T subscription when I renewed > >> my > >>> local astronomy club subscription. Can I still get a > >>> discount? My astronomy club is SJAA - San Jose > >>> Astronomical Association > >>> > >>> http://www.sjaa.net/ > >>> > >>> Thanks for any help > >>> .-==Craig > >>> > >>> > >>> --- orders@skyandtelescope.com wrote: > >>>> From: > >>>> To: > >>>> Subject: Order Confirmation > >>>> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:11:10 -0400 > >>>> > >>>> Thank you for ordering from Shop at Sky. > >>>> > >>>> Your order number is: 11803 > >>>> > >>>> Billing name and address: > >>>> Craig Scull > >>>> 633 S 8th St Apt 3 > >>>> San Jose CA 95112 > >>>> United States of America > >>>> 408-692-9317 > >>>> > >>>> Shipping name and address: > >>>> Craig Scull > >>>> 633 S 8th St Apt 3 > >>>> San Jose CA 95112 > >>>> United States of America > >>>> 408-692-9317 > >>>> > >>>> Quantity Item no. & description > >> > >>>> Price > >>>> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> ------ > >>>> 1 STUS1 > >> > >>>> $39.95 > >>>> Sky & Telescope Subscription - US and > >>>> Possessions 1 Year STUS1 > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> ------ > >>>> > >> > >>>> SubTotal $39.95 > >>>> > >> > >>>> Total $39.95 > >>>> > >>>> If you have any question about your order, please > >>>> contact customer service. > >>>> > >>>> E-mail: custserv@SkyandTelescope.com > >>>> Phone: 800-253-0245 (outside the U.S. and Canada, > >>>> +1-617-864-7360) > >>>> Fax: 617-864-6117 > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > >>> http://health.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > Bill Arnett > bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ > Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/defanged-52202 Size: 13028 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20020806/8c555a4b/attachment.bin From jvn at svpal.org Tue Aug 6 13:52:05 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9BCF04F@POMMAIL1> Message-ID: <3D5036F5.6842@svpal.org> Bartolini, Jim wrote: > > I guess the most likely candidate would be JVN..........? It's got to be Gary, as he's the one who handles the $$. My copy of the membership database is from May, and it says his dues are due in June 2002. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Arnett [SMTP:bill@nineplanets.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:56 AM > > To: Board SJAA; Dave North > > Cc: Craig Scull > > Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Tue Aug 6 19:32:24 2002 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: SJAA Beginning Astronomy Class 9/27 Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Freeman To: Jay.Freeman@sun.com, koopm@koopm.best.vwh.net Subject: Re: SJAA Beginning Astronomy Class > I'll put the announcement in the Ephemeris for the Cosmic Bird Watching > Talk. Acknowledged and confirming, for 27 September. -- Jay Freeman From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Aug 7 00:05:20 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9BCF04F@POMMAIL1> <3D5036F5.6842@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3D50C6B0.CD9@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Bartolini, Jim wrote: > > > > I guess the most likely candidate would be JVN..........? > > It's got to be Gary, as he's the one who handles the $$. My copy of > the membership database is from May, and it says his dues are due in > June 2002. Dave North is the closest thing we have to a membership chairman, since he maintains the roster database. But this not the way to go. Folks, if you want the club discount on S&T, please do NOT deal with Sky Publishing yourself. It cause complications. (If anyone is interested, I can give horror stories.) If for whatever reason you don't add $30 to your SJAA dues, but you want the club discount on S&T, just send $30 to us (SJAA), not Sky Publishing. Include your name and address, and a brief note saying you meant to add this to your SJAA dues for S&T. We'll handle the rest. It's simpler that way, for everyone. Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Arnett [SMTP:bill@nineplanets.org] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:56 AM > > > To: Board SJAA; Dave North > > > Cc: Craig Scull > > > Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation > > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association > JVN's web site > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From north at znet.com Wed Aug 7 08:54:18 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9BCF04F@POMMAIL1> <3D5036F5.6842@svpal.org> <3D50C6B0.CD9@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3D5142AA.1090907@znet.com> Gary: > Dave North is the closest thing we have to a membership > chairman, since he maintains the roster database. True enough. And most such matters I can attend. But not this one. > But this > not the way to go. Very true, if for no other reason than the treasurer handles the submission of funds to S&T -- I just handle the preliminary paper work. As a non-officer of the club, and not being the person who submits the actual list to S&T, I don't think this falls to me. So Gary is stuck with this problem, which he shouldn't be. > Folks, if you want the club discount on S&T, please do NOT deal > with Sky Publishing yourself. I'm surprised, in fact, that S&T will allow this exception. In the past they would not -- the only way to get the discount was by going through the club channels. They're setting a complicated precedent and changing their rules in a way that is _not_ going to make Gary's life easier. However, their direct mail to the members does not clarify this issue enough, and we get a few such messups every year. Ah well. Not for the first time, I wonder if it's worth it. But it probably is. Dave From bhavner at earthlink.net Wed Aug 7 11:24:13 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (bhavner@earthlink.net) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation Message-ID: Look! The guy just needs someone on the board to call or e-mail S&T for confirmation! Dave if his membership is current let me know and I'll make the call. Bob On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:54:18 -0700 Dave North wrote: > Gary: > > Dave North is the closest thing we have to a > membership > > chairman, since he maintains the roster > database. > > True enough. And most such matters I can > attend. But not this one. > > > But this > > not the way to go. > > Very true, if for no other reason than the > treasurer handles the > submission of funds to S&T -- I just handle the > preliminary paper work. > As a non-officer of the club, and not being > the person who submits the > actual list to S&T, I don't think this falls to > me. > So Gary is stuck with this problem, which he > shouldn't be. > > > Folks, if you want the club discount on S&T, > please do NOT deal > > with Sky Publishing yourself. > > I'm surprised, in fact, that S&T will allow > this exception. In the past > they would not -- the only way to get the > discount was by going through > the club channels. > They're setting a complicated precedent and > changing their rules in a way > that is _not_ going to make Gary's life easier. > However, their direct mail to the members does > not clarify this issue > enough, and we get a few such messups every > year. > Ah well. Not for the first time, I wonder if > it's worth it. But it > probably is. > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From bhavner at earthlink.net Wed Aug 7 11:31:08 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (bhavner@earthlink.net) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation Message-ID: In case anyone has forgotten his name is Craig Scull. Bob On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:24:13 -0700 bhavner@earthlink.net wrote: > Look! The guy just needs someone on the board > to call or e-mail S&T for > confirmation! Dave if his membership is current > let me know and I'll make the > call. > > Bob > > On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:54:18 -0700 Dave North > wrote: > > > Gary: > > > Dave North is the closest thing we have to > a > > membership > > > chairman, since he maintains the roster > > database. > > > > True enough. And most such matters I can > > attend. But not this one. > > > > > But this > > > not the way to go. > > > > Very true, if for no other reason than the > > treasurer handles the > > submission of funds to S&T -- I just handle > the > > preliminary paper work. > > As a non-officer of the club, and not being > > the person who submits the > > actual list to S&T, I don't think this falls > to > > me. > > So Gary is stuck with this problem, which he > > shouldn't be. > > > > > Folks, if you want the club discount on > S&T, > > please do NOT deal > > > with Sky Publishing yourself. > > > > I'm surprised, in fact, that S&T will allow > > this exception. In the past > > they would not -- the only way to get the > > discount was by going through > > the club channels. > > They're setting a complicated precedent and > > changing their rules in a way > > that is _not_ going to make Gary's life > easier. > > However, their direct mail to the members > does > > not clarify this issue > > enough, and we get a few such messups every > > year. > > Ah well. Not for the first time, I wonder if > > it's worth it. But it > > probably is. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SJAABoard mailing list > > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > > > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Wed Aug 7 16:41:24 2002 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What we have here is a failure to communicate. We really need to have something on the website saying how the S&T subscription works. Maybe this should also be in the Ephemeris occasionally. We seem to have this issue come up about 10 times a year. Dave, could you please write up a FAQ saying what your process is and answering these questions: (I have started, you probably have more to add, edit, or other questions.) 1) I just submitted my membership application when will I see my first S&T? Answer: We typically update the membership list on the 15th of the month in time to get the Ephemeris out. The Sky and Telescope subscriptions are handled then. Usually you will get the first magazine one month after that date. 2) My membership is good for another 4 months yet S&T has sent me a renewal form. What do I do? Answer: Please remember that the S&T issues come out 2 months before the beginning of that month. Add to that an addition month for processing and you'll see that the renewal is just about on time. DO NOT SEND YOUR RENEWAL TO SKY AND TELESCOPE TO GET THE CLUB RATE! Instead fill out a copy of the back of the Ephemeris with all the pertinent information to renew your club membership and S&T at the same time. You will be credited with an additional year to your SJAA membership. Interesting that they are willing to take the phone call. Must be someone new. Since Bob has volunteered to call, he can do it. Thanks! Mike On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 bhavner@earthlink.net wrote: > Look! The guy just needs someone on the board to call or e-mail S&T for > confirmation! Dave if his membership is current let me know and I'll make the > call. > > Bob > > On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:54:18 -0700 Dave North wrote: > > > Gary: > > > Dave North is the closest thing we have to a > > membership > > > chairman, since he maintains the roster > > database. > > > > True enough. And most such matters I can > > attend. But not this one. > > > > > But this > > > not the way to go. > > > > Very true, if for no other reason than the > > treasurer handles the > > submission of funds to S&T -- I just handle the > > preliminary paper work. > > As a non-officer of the club, and not being > > the person who submits the > > actual list to S&T, I don't think this falls to > > me. > > So Gary is stuck with this problem, which he > > shouldn't be. > > > > > Folks, if you want the club discount on S&T, > > please do NOT deal > > > with Sky Publishing yourself. > > > > I'm surprised, in fact, that S&T will allow > > this exception. In the past > > they would not -- the only way to get the > > discount was by going through > > the club channels. > > They're setting a complicated precedent and > > changing their rules in a way > > that is _not_ going to make Gary's life easier. > > However, their direct mail to the members does > > not clarify this issue > > enough, and we get a few such messups every > > year. > > Ah well. Not for the first time, I wonder if > > it's worth it. But it > > probably is. > > > > > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SJAABoard mailing list > > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From north at znet.com Wed Aug 7 16:57:49 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: Message-ID: <3D51B3FD.2030406@znet.com> Mike: > Dave, could you please write up a FAQ saying what your process is and > answering these questions: Nope! Can't think of a thing to add, except one tiny note below. > (I have started, you probably have more to add, edit, or other questions.) > > 1) I just submitted my membership application when will I see my first > S&T? > > Answer: We typically update the membership list on the 15th of the month > in time to get the Ephemeris out. > The Sky and Telescope subscriptions are handled then. Usually you will get > the first magazine one month after that date. > > 2) My membership is good for another 4 months yet S&T has sent me a > renewal form. What do I do? > > Answer: Please remember that the S&T issues come out 2 months before the > beginning of that month. Add to that an addition month for processing and > you'll see that the renewal is just about on time. DO NOT SEND YOUR > RENEWAL TO SKY AND TELESCOPE TO GET THE CLUB RATE! Instead fill out a copy > of the back of the Ephemeris with all the pertinent information to renew > your club membership and S&T at the same time. You will be credited with > an additional year to your SJAA membership. ...except for one thing: I prefer that information that has not changed not be included. That way I don't have to compare new -> old to confirm accuracy. > Interesting that they are willing to take the phone call. > Must be someone new. > Since Bob has volunteered to call, he can do it. From north at znet.com Wed Aug 7 17:21:55 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: Message-ID: <3D51B9A3.3010109@znet.com> Bob: > Look! The guy just needs someone on the board to call or e-mail S&T for > confirmation! I think we're all aware of that, Bob. But for most of us, the note came from Bill Arnett, and the question was: who should he put on the website as "membership chairman." So there were two questions to address: who cleans up Craig's mess for him, and who will be publicized as the person to do it in the future. Perhaps you're telling us now that you should be that person? If so, it would be best to let Bill know specifically, and start boning up on what you'll need to know. However, if you're not happy with how I'm handling my part of it, you're welcome to take over the mailbox key and membership database any time you wish. Few things would please me more. After some five or six years of it (more? I can't remember) I've certainly done as much as my karma requires. And I'm sure you'll get many hours of joy and amusement. Anybody else want it? _Anybody_ who isn't just overjoyed with the job Gary is doing is entirely without sense. d From bhavner at earthlink.net Wed Aug 7 19:10:50 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: attn. Anna Tanner Message-ID: I have responded to S & T on Craig's behalf. Here is a copy. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Havner [mailto:bhavner@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:31 PM To: custserv@SkyandTelescope.com Subject: attn. Anna Tanner >> Dear Mr Scull >> >> You need to contact your club and have your club >> spokesperson call us at >> 1-800-253-0245 or email us and have them tell us you >> are still a member of >> the club so we can make your subscription a club >> subscription and give you >> a credit on your credit card for $10.00. In the future, >> you need to give >> the money to your club and have the club send in your >> money in order to >> receive the club rate >> >> Thank You >> >> Anna Tanner >> Customer Service Anna, Just a note to let you know that I have checked and Craig Scull is a member in good standing. Thank you for helping him with this matter. Bob Havner Vice President San Jose Astronomical Association www.sjaa.net bhavner@earthlink.net From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Aug 8 00:21:48 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: attn. Anna Tanner References: Message-ID: <3D521C0C.22CB@aenet.net> Bob Havner wrote: > > I have responded to S & T on Craig's behalf. Here is a copy. Oh goodie! Does this mean you'll be doing this from now on, Bob? If so, don't forget you need to notify Dave North as to when this was done, so the database can be corrected. Include the member's name, address, and subscription status (NEW or RENEW). Also, I keep a duplicate copy of the subscriptions I send to Sky Publishing, in case there's ever a question (and there always are!) about whether or when someone's subscription was actually sent in. This also serves as verification that the member's correct address was submitted. So, if you would please, also send me e-mail (in plain text) entitled "subscriptions already sent to Sky Publishing" and the member's name, address, and subscription status (NEW or RENEW). I also keep membership renewal forms as a back-up. In these cases, those won't show that the member subscribed to S&T, but if the above is done, I suppose we can skip that back-up. And as "acting membership chairman"... or should that be: "S&T subscription fixer upper extraordinare," ;) would any questions or problems get referred back to you? (Dave: Did I forget anything?) * * * Or, if you wish, you can forget all that. Just inform the member that he/she should send it to the club instead, and we'll handle it. :) Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Havner [mailto:bhavner@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:31 PM > To: custserv@SkyandTelescope.com > Subject: attn. Anna Tanner > > >> Dear Mr Scull > >> > >> You need to contact your club and have your club > >> spokesperson call us at > >> 1-800-253-0245 or email us and have them tell us you > >> are still a member of > >> the club so we can make your subscription a club > >> subscription and give you > >> a credit on your credit card for $10.00. In the future, > >> you need to give > >> the money to your club and have the club send in your > >> money in order to > >> receive the club rate > >> > >> Thank You > >> > >> Anna Tanner > >> Customer Service > > Anna, > > Just a note to let you know that I have checked and Craig Scull is a member > in good standing. > > Thank you for helping him with this matter. > > Bob Havner > Vice President > San Jose Astronomical Association > www.sjaa.net > bhavner@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Aug 8 00:24:53 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9BCF04F@POMMAIL1> <3D5036F5.6842@svpal.org> <3D50C6B0.CD9@aenet.net> <3D5142AA.1090907@znet.com> Message-ID: <3D521CC5.1007@aenet.net> Dave North wrote: > > Folks, if you want the club discount on S&T, please do NOT deal > > with Sky Publishing yourself. > > I'm surprised, in fact, that S&T will allow this exception. In the past > they would not -- the only way to get the discount was by going through > the club channels. That's the way it should be... at least it would make things more straight forward. > They're setting a complicated precedent and changing their rules in a way > that is _not_ going to make Gary's life easier. It doesn't make Dave's life easier either. For those who are interested, we keep tabs on who subscribes to S&T in the database. So Dave has to be notified as well, not just Sky Publishing. ...And this is when it happens smoothly. That is, at best, it's an exception that we have to deal with separately. > However, their direct mail to the members does not clarify this issue > enough, and we get a few such messups every year. That renewal notice is very confusing. The fact that they include a post-paid return envelope makes it even more confusing. I'll bet that's the reason some people try to make an end-run around the club. Also, many people make the mistake of thinking they're supposed to send that notice to us, but we have no use for it. Maybe I should write a letter to them... Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Aug 8 00:58:18 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: <3D51B9A3.3010109@znet.com> Message-ID: <3D52249A.2AA8@aenet.net> Dave North wrote: > > Bob: > > > Look! The guy just needs someone on the board to call or e-mail S&T for > > confirmation! > > I think we're all aware of that, Bob. > But for most of us, the note came from Bill Arnett, and the question was: > who should he put on the website as "membership chairman." > So there were two questions to address: who cleans up Craig's mess for > him, and who will be publicized as the person to do it in the future. > Perhaps you're telling us now that you should be that person? > If so, it would be best to let Bill know specifically, and start boning > up on what you'll need to know. > > However, if you're not happy with how I'm handling my part of it, you're > welcome to take over the mailbox key and membership database any time > you wish. > Few things would please me more. After some five or six years of it > (more? I can't remember) I've certainly done as much as my karma > requires. And I'm sure you'll get many hours of joy and amusement. > Anybody else want it? Steady, Dave, steady... Don't go into the light! ;) Folks, I believe what Dave is trying to say is: It's usually a bad idea to make extra work for unpaid volunteers who already have a significant workload. We have a procedure set up. It's very simple for the members, they just throw 30 bucks our way and we take care of everything. Is that really asking so much? Perhaps this is a good time to remind everyone that the club doesn't get anything out of this. It's just one of the benefits of being a member. Well, that's not *completely* true...We pay $29.95 and charge $30, pocketing the five cents. Whoop-dee-do. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Aug 8 01:17:12 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: Message-ID: <3D522908.4A3D@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > > What we have here is a failure to communicate. > We really need to have something on the website saying how the S&T > subscription works. > Maybe this should also be in the Ephemeris occasionally. > We seem to have this issue come up about 10 times a year. > > Dave, could you please write up a FAQ saying what your process is and > answering these questions: > (I have started, you probably have more to add, edit, or other questions.) > > 1) I just submitted my membership application when will I see my first > S&T? > > Answer: We typically update the membership list on the 15th of the month > in time to get the Ephemeris out. > The Sky and Telescope subscriptions are handled then. Usually you will get > the first magazine one month after that date. > > 2) My membership is good for another 4 months yet S&T has sent me a > renewal form. What do I do? > > Answer: Please remember that the S&T issues come out 2 months before the > beginning of that month. Add to that an addition month for processing and > you'll see that the renewal is just about on time. DO NOT SEND YOUR > RENEWAL TO SKY AND TELESCOPE TO GET THE CLUB RATE! Instead fill out a copy > of the back of the Ephemeris with all the pertinent information to renew > your club membership and S&T at the same time. You will be credited with > an additional year to your SJAA membership. I would add something to the effect that: Because of those built-in delays, if you wait until your subscription actually expires, it's possible you may miss an issue. 3) Should I inlcude S&T's renewal notice with my SJAA renewal? We don't need the renewal form that S&T sends you. Treat that as just a reminder from them that it's time to renew your club membership. Merely add $30 to the club dues for S&T, we'll handle the rest. S&T doesn't allow multiple year subscriptions on club accounts. (By the way, we could use their postage paid envelope.) Gary From north at znet.com Thu Aug 8 08:44:39 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: attn. Anna Tanner References: <3D521C0C.22CB@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3D5291E7.8080403@znet.com> Gary: > Dave: Did I forget anything? Just the check number. But here's some hints for everyone: If someone gives you a renewal (new memberships have more requirements) we need to know any information that changed during the year, plus we normally record the check number (this has come in handy many times when trying to troubleshoot a problem). If you get a new membership, we of course need all the information. Do _not_ worry about the paperwork right off the bat, since I send a confirmation notice to the member (assuming they have email and we got the address). We'll be able to check accuracy, and getting the forms to Gary is nowhere near as important as getting timely entry into the database. The same goes for the check. The club's balance is quite high, so there's no need to have a huge rush to get the check to Gary. But we do need that info in the database as soon as possible, or we will get inquiries from new (or discontinued) members who have actually paid. We only actually need one phone number, and seldom use them. Everything else is automated. d From north at znet.com Thu Aug 8 08:49:43 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fwd: Sky & Tel Order Confirmation References: <3D522908.4A3D@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3D529317.9060801@znet.com> Gary: > I would add something to the effect that: Because of those > built-in delays, if you wait until your subscription actually > expires, it's possible you may miss an issue. Dang, that was implicit in Mike's original composition, but you're right. It should be stated explicitly -- one thing S&T does is time those stupid notices right: if you want your subscription to continue without a hitch, two or three months early is best. d From jvn at svpal.org Mon Aug 12 12:54:59 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Proposed calendar for 2003 Message-ID: <3D581293.1884@svpal.org> Hi, All, Here is a proposed calendar for 2003, in my now-familiar tabular form. Bill O'Shaughnessy 's more traditional format is available at . Please check it for conflicts with holidays and so on. I think the Auction date is the only good one. If we try to move it past Tax Day, we will find it on (1) Easter, or (2) a dark-sky weekend, or (3) Mother's day, or (4) the Sunday before RTMC when people are hoarding their $$. Speaking of RTMC, May 23 is the first day of the conference. There will be plenty of people to do the Houge Park star party, but perhaps not for the class. WIBNI we could approve this at the Aug.24 meeting? ============================================================= SJAA Calendar for 2003 Version 1.0, 2002 Aug.11. Q1: Auction agreeable? Q2: Shall we have a Class May 23 = RTMC? APPROVED: nothing yet Print this with a M*O*N*O*S*P*A*C*E*D font for column alignment. General Astro Houge Park Dark-sky 2003 Meeting Class Star Party Star Party January 18 24 10, 24 4c, 25 February 15 21 7, 21 1c, 22 March 15 7 7, 28 1c, 22, 29c April 13* 25 11, 25 26 May 17 23?? 9=, 23 3c, 24, 31c June 14 20 6, 20 21, 28c July 12 25 ?4? 25 19, 26c August 9 22 8, 22 23, 30c September 13 19 5, 19 20, 27c October 11 17 3, 17, 31 18, 25c November 8 28+ 14, 28 15, 22c December 6 12 20, 27c?? * Auction: April 13, a Sunday. Must NOT be on Mother's Day. + Optional. Reserve hall. = Astronomy Day is May 10; use Houge on 9th, 1Q moon. STAR PARTY notations -- c Coe and Peak. Others Peak. OTHER dates and events -- DST start - Apr.6 TAX day - Apr.15, Tuesday Easter - Apr.20 (school vacations week before or after) RTMC -- May 23-26, 3Q moon Thursday before Star-B-Q I would recommend Aug.23, but who asked me? DST ends Oct.26 GENERAL MEETINGS - No big discontinuity this year. September could be a week earlier, but would interfere with Labor Day vacations. HOUGE Public star parties - Shall we do an event July 4? Oct.31 = Halloween! Skip Dec.26. ASTRONOMY CLASS - Moonless dates except March for Moon Class. Q: Shall we have a class May 23, clash with RTMC?? There's an extra (November) reserved. COE: Usually second of successive Saturdays. Q: Shall we announce dsw on Dec.27? See for Bill's version in traditional calendar form. ============================================================= Clear Skies! Jim. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Aug 13 01:50:58 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Proposed calendar for 2003 References: <3D581293.1884@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3D58C872.5AD4@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > HOUGE Public star parties - Shall we do an event July 4? > Oct.31 = Halloween! > Skip Dec.26. July 4 would probably be sparcely attended. It's hard to compete with fireworks. Halloween? Probably not. Most folks will be handing out (or collecting) candy. I doubt too many people would want to take time out to come to Houge that night...Although I could be wrong. Dec. 26 would probably be OK. There might be a few people anxious to try out their new toys. Also, it might be a fun activity for any out-of-town guests. > ASTRONOMY CLASS - Moonless dates except March for Moon Class. > Q: Shall we have a class May 23, clash with RTMC?? There's > an extra (November) reserved. How many of the students would be going? Not many, I'd venture to guess. And as long as the teacher isn't going, why not have the class? At this point, I'd say let's schedule it. Ultimately we can leave it up to the teacher to cancel that one if he/she won't be there (and if we can't find a substitute). > COE: Usually second of successive Saturdays. > Q: Shall we announce dsw on Dec.27? Sure, why not? We don't host dark-sky star parties anyway. The whole point of listing it as a dark-sky weekend is just to remind people when would be a good time to go if they want to. (In this case, especially for those with new astro-toys.) Gary From Sol.Man at IndigoSkies.com Tue Aug 13 07:21:21 2002 From: Sol.Man at IndigoSkies.com (Mark Taylor) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Proposed calendar for 2003 In-Reply-To: <3D581293.1884@svpal.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.0.20020813071458.00b0f868@indigoskies.com> >OTHER dates and events -- > DST start - Apr.6 > TAX day - Apr.15, Tuesday > Easter - Apr.20 (school vacations week before or after) > RTMC -- May 23-26, 3Q moon Thursday before > Star-B-Q I would recommend Aug.23, but who asked me? > DST ends Oct.26 Is there nothing on the schedule yet for LSA this year? Messier? Or to be more general, what's the current state of trying to have 3 or 4 SJAA-hosted, "real star parties" every year? I wonder if dates have been chosen for other 3rd party events besides RTMC, such as Davis? It wouldn't hurt to list them as early as possible, too. Cheers, Mark From jvn at svpal.org Wed Aug 14 00:29:34 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Book donation Message-ID: <3D5A06DE.B00@svpal.org> Mrs. Jean Drahmann has donated her husband's astronomy books to SJAA. Dr.Drahmann taught at Santa Clara University for many years. Some of our members may have known him. There are about 40 popular books, not college textbooks, many recently published, mostly hardbound. She was unwilling to give them to Goodwill who doesn't have the audience for them. We are to pass them along or use them as a fund-raiser. I must write a receipt letter. $10 each seems realistic; I've seen that much at Goodwill in recent years (even paid it once). We could hold them until the November swap meet (who'd like to store them??), or bring them to the general meeting and ask 5 or 10 $ donation for them. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From Paulm at catc.com Wed Aug 14 08:11:56 2002 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Book donation Message-ID: Hi Jim, why wait, bring them to the meetings. paulm -----Original Message----- From: Jim Van Nuland [mailto:jvn@svpal.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:30 AM To: SJAA Board Subject: [SJAABoard] Book donation Mrs. Jean Drahmann has donated her husband's astronomy books to SJAA. Dr.Drahmann taught at Santa Clara University for many years. Some of our members may have known him. There are about 40 popular books, not college textbooks, many recently published, mostly hardbound. She was unwilling to give them to Goodwill who doesn't have the audience for them. We are to pass them along or use them as a fund-raiser. I must write a receipt letter. $10 each seems realistic; I've seen that much at Goodwill in recent years (even paid it once). We could hold them until the November swap meet (who'd like to store them??), or bring them to the general meeting and ask 5 or 10 $ donation for them. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Aug 14 20:59:32 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Br. Guy Consolmagno confirmed? Message-ID: <3D5B2724.5000703@whiteoaks.com> We're putting the Ephemeris to bed tonight (hopefully). Can someone confirm Br. Guy for the October speaker, and also is there a blurb and picture or anything?? Also, any November speaker yet? We don't always list the speaker two months early, only iif we've got one. Thanks, editor #2 -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Fri Aug 16 01:08:46 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] September Ephemeris put to bed Message-ID: Editors are done, time for circulation to take over. Dave, you can call Roger in the morning and give him quantities and get the schedule and all. Here's the preview PDF file: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0209/EphSep02.pdf Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Fri Aug 16 10:43:44 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: September Ephemeris put to bed References: Message-ID: <3D5D39D0.6000506@znet.com> > Dave, you can call Roger in the morning and give him quantities and > get the schedule and all. Tuesday/325 theoretically, and it's all attended. Whoa, we be havin' fun now! d From jvn at svpal.org Fri Aug 16 14:59:50 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar 2003, version 1.1 Message-ID: <3D5D75D6.7089@svpal.org> Here's another calendar. Changes: Omit Houge Star party on Jan.4 (can't compete with fireworks) Omit Houge Star party on Oct.31. We should all set up at home. Add Proposed dates for ATM class. MIKE: decide whether to start in January or February. Considered: Houge park star party on Dec.26. The following week fits better with the schedule, and few will want to do a star party (astronomers nor public). (I'll have house guests, etc.) Clear Skies (and calendars)! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site SJAA Calendar for 2003 Version 1.1, 2002 Aug.16. First input from board via e-mail Q1: Auction date agreeable? Q2: Shall we have a Class May 23 = RTMC? Q3: ATM on May 22=RTMC?? ATM on July 5=holiday weekend? APPROVED: nothing Print this with a M*O*N*O*S*P*A*C*E*D font for column alignment. General ATM Astro Houge Park Dark-sky 2003 Meeting Class Class Star Party Star Party January 18 11, 23 24 10, 24 4c, 25 February 15 8, 20 21 7, 21 1c, 22 March 15 8, 27 7 7, 28 1c, 22, 29c April 13* 5, 24 25 11, 25 26 May 17 10, 22?? 23?? 9=, 23 3c, 24, 31c June 14 7, 19 20 6, 20 21, 28c July 12 ??5, 24 25 ?4? 25 19, 26c August 9 2, 21 22 8, 22 23, 30c September 13 6, 18 19 5, 19 20, 27c October 11 4, 16 17 3, 17, 31 18, 25c November 8 1, 13 28+ 14, 28 15, 22c December 6 N29, 11 12 20, 27c?? * Auction: April 13, a Sunday. Must NOT be on Mother's Day. + Optional. Reserve hall. = Astronomy Day is May 10; use Houge on 9th, 1Q moon. STAR PARTY notations -- c Coe and Peak. Others Peak. OTHER dates and events -- DST start - Apr.6 TAX day - Apr.15, Tuesday Easter - Apr.20 (school vacations week before or after) RTMC -- May 23-26, 3Q moon Thursday before Star-B-Q I would recommend Aug.23, but who asked me? DST ends Oct.26 (Will add Davis, Calstar, Shingletown, when scheduled) GENERAL MEETINGS - No big discontinuity this year. September could be a week earlier, but would interfere with Labor Day vacations. ATM Class - July 5 -- long weekend. May 22=RTMC. Skip these? Note "Dec" Saturday class is November 29. HOUGE Public star parties - Omit July 4 = fireworks day; Omit Oct.31 = Halloween; Omit Dec.26 as Jan 2 is better. ASTRONOMY CLASS - Moonless dates except March for Moon Class. Q: Shall we have a class May 23, clash with RTMC?? There's an extra (November) reserved. COE: Usually second of successive Saturdays. Clear Skies! Jim. From north at znet.com Tue Aug 20 10:20:32 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership Status Message-ID: <3D627A60.1010101@znet.com> As far as I can tell, we gained a net member this month, which is good. The bad news is, it was a free membership for a speaker, so we just broke even. The good news is, that's better than it has been. At this point, the list is looking pretty stable. The better news is, the unpaid from June has shrunk to five, some of which may actually pay eventually (they won't be eliminted until next month, if still unpaid, and even _then_ they sometimes get around to it). This is very good, since near the end of June there were on the order of 20 people who hadn't paid from that month alone. Unpaid for July is also floating at five, but it's way to early to draw conclusions about that. Overall, things are trending better this month than they have for at least a year. d From jvn at svpal.org Wed Aug 21 16:39:30 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material 2002, 3, absence Message-ID: <3D6424B2.6942@svpal.org> Hi, All, Here are two month's material. I will be in Wisconsin Aug.30 to Sep.20. I'll have e-mail access most of the time. November 1 -Fr- Astronomy Class XI -- how many? 1 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 5:10 pm, 11% moon rises 3:48 am. 2 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 5:07 pm, 4% moon rises 5:01 am. 9 -Sa- ATM Class XX. Houge Park, 7:30 pm 15 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 4:58 pm, 87% moon sets 3:32 am. 16 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. 21 -Th- ATM Class XXI 29 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 4:51 pm, 23% moon rises 2:40 am. 30 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 4:50 pm, 14% moon rises 3:50 am. December 5 -Th- ATM Class XXII 7 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Moony Sset 4:49 pm, 18% moon sets 8:20 pm. 13 -Fr- Houge Park star party Sset 4:51 pm, 73% moon sets 2:20 am. 14 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. 21 -Sa- ATM Class XXIII ??? 28 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 4:58 pm, 26% moon rises 2:46 am. Bob -- I don't have speakers for November and December. Do you? Please let M&J know. Mike -- I've listed the astro class for Nov.1, and the hall is reserved. Please let Morris and Jane know whether the class will actually run into November (or October for that matter). ALSO -- the ATM class on Dec.21 might be very lightly attended, it being the final shopping weekend before Christmas. School events, Oct - Dec. Oct. 10 -- Pending, Saratoga Oct. 18 -- Pending, Milpitas Nov. 14 -- Lane View school, NE San Jose. Dec. 5 or 12 -- Pending, downtown San Jose M&J, it's best to go to my current events web page (see .sig) to get the latest material, just prior to putting the Ephemeris to bed. YEAR 2003 calendar -- I've put out a second iteration of the 2003 proposal, with the ATM classes. I included January, but perhaps the class will start in February as was done in 2001? The major star parties (Messier Marathon, Calstar) are yet to be added, but I think we can officially approve what has been circulated. I'm already scheduling school events around those proposed Houge Park events. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association Current school dates From david_r_smith at agilent.com Fri Aug 23 09:34:12 2002 From: david_r_smith at agilent.com (david_r_smith@agilent.com) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar 2003, version 1.1 Message-ID: Jim, could you change my email address to Areopagus125@yahoo.com ? This is coming to me at work, and I can't get work email when I am at home. David Smith > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Van Nuland [mailto:jvn@svpal.org] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:00 PM > To: SJAA Board > Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar 2003, version 1.1 > > > Here's another calendar. Changes: > > Omit Houge Star party on Jan.4 (can't compete with fireworks) > Omit Houge Star party on Oct.31. We should all set up at home. > Add Proposed dates for ATM class. MIKE: decide whether to start > in January or February. > > Considered: Houge park star party on Dec.26. The following > week fits > better with the schedule, and few will want to do a star party > (astronomers nor public). (I'll have house guests, etc.) > > Clear Skies (and calendars)! > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association > JVN's web site > > > SJAA Calendar for 2003 > > Version 1.1, 2002 Aug.16. First input from board via e-mail > Q1: Auction date agreeable? > Q2: Shall we have a Class May 23 = RTMC? > Q3: ATM on May 22=RTMC?? ATM on July 5=holiday weekend? > > APPROVED: nothing > > Print this with a M*O*N*O*S*P*A*C*E*D font for column alignment. > > General ATM Astro Houge Park Dark-sky > 2003 Meeting Class Class Star Party Star Party > January 18 11, 23 24 10, 24 4c, 25 > February 15 8, 20 21 7, 21 1c, 22 > March 15 8, 27 7 7, 28 1c, 22, 29c > April 13* 5, 24 25 11, 25 26 > May 17 10, 22?? 23?? 9=, 23 3c, 24, 31c > June 14 7, 19 20 6, 20 21, 28c > July 12 ??5, 24 25 ?4? 25 19, 26c > August 9 2, 21 22 8, 22 23, 30c > September 13 6, 18 19 5, 19 20, 27c > October 11 4, 16 17 3, 17, 31 18, 25c > November 8 1, 13 28+ 14, 28 15, 22c > December 6 N29, 11 12 20, 27c?? > > * Auction: April 13, a Sunday. Must NOT be on Mother's Day. > + Optional. Reserve hall. > = Astronomy Day is May 10; use Houge on 9th, 1Q moon. > > STAR PARTY notations -- > c Coe and Peak. Others Peak. > > OTHER dates and events -- > DST start - Apr.6 > TAX day - Apr.15, Tuesday > Easter - Apr.20 (school vacations week before or after) > RTMC -- May 23-26, 3Q moon Thursday before > Star-B-Q I would recommend Aug.23, but who asked me? > DST ends Oct.26 > (Will add Davis, Calstar, Shingletown, when scheduled) > > GENERAL MEETINGS - No big discontinuity this year. September could > be a week earlier, but would interfere with Labor Day vacations. > > ATM Class - July 5 -- long weekend. May 22=RTMC. Skip these? > Note "Dec" Saturday class is November 29. > > HOUGE Public star parties - Omit July 4 = fireworks day; > Omit Oct.31 = Halloween; Omit Dec.26 as Jan 2 is better. > > ASTRONOMY CLASS - Moonless dates except March for Moon Class. > Q: Shall we have a class May 23, clash with RTMC?? There's > an extra (November) reserved. > > COE: Usually second of successive Saturdays. > > Clear Skies! Jim. > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Aug 26 23:57:33 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] international member Message-ID: <3D6B22DD.74EE@aenet.net> We have an unusual situation here. A SJAA member (Del Johnson) is moving to Kenya. He wants to continue being a SJAA member and get the club rate on Sky & Tel. The S&T club rate is $45 ($44.95) for international addresses, instead of the usual $30 ($29.95). Dave North thinks we should absorb the difference because Del has been good to the club in the past. I noticed Del said he'll get the Ephemeris on-line. That will save us some money, not to mention the possibility that we'd have to pull his newsletter from the bulk mail and give it special treatment. Aside from him being a "good guy," due to the savings we'll realize on his newsletter, I'm inclined to call it even and give him the usual $30 rate for S&T. Any objections? Gary Treasurer From jvn at svpal.org Tue Aug 27 02:23:41 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] international member References: <3D6B22DD.74EE@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3D6B451D.6335@svpal.org> Gary Mitchell wrote: > A SJAA member (Del Johnson) is moving to Kenya. Del was in Kenya with the Peace Corps, some years ago. I seem to recall that he paid extra for the Ephemeris mailing; that was before there was such a thing as internet delivery. I'm not certain that he also took S&T, but I'm inclined to say he did. > Dave North thinks we should absorb the difference because > Del has been good to the club in the past. One of the loaner scopes is from Del. Paul did some fixup before sending it out. > Aside from him being a "good guy," due to the savings we'll > realize on his newsletter, I'm inclined to call it even and > give him the usual $30 rate for S&T. Any objections? I'm for it. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL Tue Aug 27 08:03:20 2002 From: bartolij at POM-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (Bartolini, Jim) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] international member Message-ID: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9CFEBAB@POMMAIL1> No objections here...... Jim .............. :-) ================================================== Jim Bartolini ================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Mitchell [SMTP:wb6yru@aenet.net] > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:58 PM > To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net > Subject: [SJAABoard] international member > > We have an unusual situation here. > > A SJAA member (Del Johnson) is moving to Kenya. He wants to > continue being a SJAA member and get the club rate on Sky & Tel. > The S&T club rate is $45 ($44.95) for international addresses, > instead of the usual $30 ($29.95). > > Dave North thinks we should absorb the difference because > Del has been good to the club in the past. > > I noticed Del said he'll get the Ephemeris on-line. That will > save us some money, not to mention the possibility that we'd > have to pull his newsletter from the bulk mail and give it > special treatment. > > Aside from him being a "good guy," due to the savings we'll > realize on his newsletter, I'm inclined to call it even and > give him the usual $30 rate for S&T. Any objections? > > Gary > Treasurer > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim .............. :-) ================================================== Jim Bartolini ================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Mitchell [SMTP:wb6yru@aenet.net] > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:58 PM > To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net > Subject: [SJAABoard] international member > > We have an unusual situation here. > > A SJAA member (Del Johnson) is moving to Kenya. He wants to > continue being a SJAA member and get the club rate on Sky & Tel. > The S&T club rate is $45 ($44.95) for international addresses, > instead of the usual $30 ($29.95). > > Dave North thinks we should absorb the difference because > Del has been good to the club in the past. > > I noticed Del said he'll get the Ephemeris on-line. That will > save us some money, not to mention the possibility that we'd > have to pull his newsletter from the bulk mail and give it > special treatment. > > Aside from him being a "good guy," due to the savings we'll > realize on his newsletter, I'm inclined to call it even and > give him the usual $30 rate for S&T. Any objections? > > Gary > Treasurer > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From Paulm at catc.com Tue Aug 27 16:03:11 2002 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Notes for August general meeting Message-ID: Meeting started at 7:43pm. New meade 4" reflector donated. Last months minutes approved unanimously. Dave Smith and Steve Nelson not present. Treasury report: 7/15 checking: 9835.77 Observatory fund 7/5 2814.74 Dr. Gregory fund 6/16 395.89 Dave North suggested that the club start a Pay Pal account for renewals. APDS we made 60 last year. 50 approved for next year. Member report: no change from last month. Loaner scope program: 4" flurite loaned out. 8" Dynamax loaned out. 11" dob loaned out. Observational Astronomy class: next speaker Terry " how I observe". Mike Koop would like for more people to do this. ATM class: A few new members. Up to 10 people. Some pouring pitch. No speaker for December yet. Houge Park: well attended all summer. Calstar: Mark Wagner reported feedback from last year. Lowkey, enjoyed, don't change, bar b q big hit. A group dinner would be nice. Nice to have a group day trip. Wineries, Mission, Hearst Castle. Bring a "roach Coach"? $200 for food for Cal Star approved unanimously by the board. 03 Calendar: Jim described how he builds a calendar of the year. Mike Koop made changes to the 2003 calendar. A new calendar will be distributed. Book sale: 35 hard back Astronomy books were donated to the club. They were sold at $5.00 each. Meeting adjourned at 7:55pm Comments? Be nice. This is the first time I did this. paulm From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Aug 28 01:43:58 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Notes for August general meeting References: Message-ID: <3D6C8D4E.15F9@aenet.net> Paul Mancuso wrote: > > Meeting started at 7:43pm. > New meade 4" reflector donated. > Last months minutes approved unanimously. > Dave Smith and Steve Nelson not present. > Treasury report: 7/15 checking: 9835.77 Observatory fund 7/5 2814.74 Dr. > Gregory fund 6/16 395.89 > Dave North suggested that the club start a Pay Pal account for renewals. > APDS we made 60 last year. 50 approved for next year. > Member report: no change from last month. > Loaner scope program: 4" flurite loaned out. 8" Dynamax loaned out. 11" dob > loaned out. > Observational Astronomy class: next speaker Terry " how I observe". > Mike Koop would like for more people to do this. > ATM class: A few new members. Up to 10 people. Some pouring pitch. > No speaker for December yet. > Houge Park: well attended all summer. > Calstar: Mark Wagner reported feedback from last year. Lowkey, enjoyed, > don't change, bar b q big hit. A group dinner would be nice. Nice to have a > group day trip. Wineries, Mission, Hearst Castle. Bring a "roach Coach"? > $200 for food for Cal Star approved unanimously by the board. > 03 Calendar: Jim described how he builds a calendar of the year. > Mike Koop made changes to the 2003 calendar. A new calendar will be > distributed. > Book sale: 35 hard back Astronomy books were donated to the club. They were > sold at $5.00 each. > > Meeting adjourned at 7:55pm > > Comments? Be nice. This is the first time I did this. Looks good to me. It's a little briefer than some, but that's OK. Minutes only really need to contain a record of what happened at the meeting, not every detail of what people said. And you've got that. My only other comment would be that technically the person making a motion should be identified. Gary From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 16:21:18 2002 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:16 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] international member In-Reply-To: <3D6B22DD.74EE@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20020831232118.52953.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> I post no objection to Gary's suggestion. David Smith --- Gary Mitchell wrote: > We have an unusual situation here. > > A SJAA member (Del Johnson) is moving to Kenya. He > wants to > continue being a SJAA member and get the club rate > on Sky & Tel. > The S&T club rate is $45 ($44.95) for international > addresses, > instead of the usual $30 ($29.95). > > Dave North thinks we should absorb the difference > because > Del has been good to the club in the past. > > I noticed Del said he'll get the Ephemeris on-line. > That will > save us some money, not to mention the possibility > that we'd > have to pull his newsletter from the bulk mail and > give it > special treatment. > > Aside from him being a "good guy," due to the > savings we'll > realize on his newsletter, I'm inclined to call it > even and > give him the usual $30 rate for S&T. Any > objections? > > Gary > Treasurer > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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