From bhavner at earthlink.net Tue Dec 3 17:55:25 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) Message-ID: SJAA Board, I received an e-mail today from Fulvio Melia of The University of Arizona: Dear Mr. Havner: Princeton University Press will be publishing one of my books, "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy," in April/May 2003. I will be visiting some colleagues at Stanford University between April 8 and 16, and thought I'd contact you to see if SJAA would be interested in having a public lecture on this subject. We didn't plan on a meeting due to the auction but perhaps we could schedule his lecture (no meeting) for April 12 and change the ATM date to the 5th. If I can get a majority agreement ASAP I can let Fulvio know. Let me know what you think. Bob From bill at nineplanets.org Tue Dec 3 17:58:13 2002 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I was still on the board I would vote "yes" :-) On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 05:55 PM, Bob Havner wrote: > SJAA Board, > > I received an e-mail today from Fulvio Melia of The University of > Arizona: > > Dear Mr. Havner: > > Princeton University Press will be publishing one of my books, > "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy," in April/May > 2003. I will be visiting some colleagues at Stanford University > between April 8 and 16, and thought I'd contact you to see if > SJAA would be interested in having a public lecture on > this subject. > > We didn't plan on a meeting due to the auction but perhaps we could > schedule > his lecture (no meeting) for April 12 and change the ATM date to the > 5th. If > I can get a majority agreement ASAP I can let Fulvio know. > > Let me know what you think. > > Bob > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From nytgems at pacbell.net Tue Dec 3 18:42:29 2002 From: nytgems at pacbell.net (Jim Bartolini) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <004101c29b3e$c9c4f100$6501a8c0@default> I'll agree to it....... Jim ........... 8-) =============================== Jim Bartolini nytgems@pacbell.net =============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Havner To: SJAA Board List Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) SJAA Board, I received an e-mail today from Fulvio Melia of The University of Arizona: Dear Mr. Havner: Princeton University Press will be publishing one of my books, "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy," in April/May 2003. I will be visiting some colleagues at Stanford University between April 8 and 16, and thought I'd contact you to see if SJAA would be interested in having a public lecture on this subject. We didn't plan on a meeting due to the auction but perhaps we could schedule his lecture (no meeting) for April 12 and change the ATM date to the 5th. If I can get a majority agreement ASAP I can let Fulvio know. Let me know what you think. Bob _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20021203/ee03c4f4/attachment.html From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Dec 3 19:45:17 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203194508.00b9efd8@mail201.pair.com> Me too. At 05:58 PM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: >If I was still on the board I would vote "yes" :-) > >On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 05:55 PM, Bob Havner wrote: > >>SJAA Board, >> >>I received an e-mail today from Fulvio Melia of The University of Arizona: >> >>Dear Mr. Havner: >> >>Princeton University Press will be publishing one of my books, >>"The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy," in April/May >>2003. I will be visiting some colleagues at Stanford University >>between April 8 and 16, and thought I'd contact you to see if >>SJAA would be interested in having a public lecture on >>this subject. >> >>We didn't plan on a meeting due to the auction but perhaps we could schedule >>his lecture (no meeting) for April 12 and change the ATM date to the 5th. If >>I can get a majority agreement ASAP I can let Fulvio know. >> >>Let me know what you think. >> >>Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SJAABoard mailing list >>SJAABoard@sjaa.net >>http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > >-- >Bill Arnett >bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ >Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard Mark Wagner "I believe this is going to be our finest hour" - Gene Kranz, Flight Director Apollo 13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20021203/6dbfc4ec/attachment.html From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 3 21:29:25 2002 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021204052925.14446.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com> I vote Aye. David --- Bob Havner wrote: > SJAA Board, > > I received an e-mail today from Fulvio Melia of The > University of Arizona: > > Dear Mr. Havner: > > Princeton University Press will be publishing one of > my books, > "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy," in > April/May > 2003. I will be visiting some colleagues at > Stanford University > between April 8 and 16, and thought I'd contact you > to see if > SJAA would be interested in having a public lecture > on > this subject. > > We didn't plan on a meeting due to the auction but > perhaps we could schedule > his lecture (no meeting) for April 12 and change the > ATM date to the 5th. If > I can get a majority agreement ASAP I can let Fulvio > know. > > Let me know what you think. > > Bob > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Dec 3 23:04:50 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <3DEDA912.22DE@aenet.net> Bob Havner wrote: > > SJAA Board, > > I received an e-mail today from Fulvio Melia of The University of Arizona: > > Dear Mr. Havner: > > Princeton University Press will be publishing one of my books, > "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy," in April/May > 2003. I will be visiting some colleagues at Stanford University > between April 8 and 16, and thought I'd contact you to see if > SJAA would be interested in having a public lecture on > this subject. > > We didn't plan on a meeting due to the auction but perhaps we could schedule > his lecture (no meeting) for April 12 and change the ATM date to the 5th. If > I can get a majority agreement ASAP I can let Fulvio know. > > Let me know what you think. Sounds interesting, let's go for it. There's not much difference between having a presentation at a meeting and just a presentation...might as well make it a regular meeting. Gary From Paulm at catc.com Wed Dec 4 08:21:31 2002 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] (no subject) Message-ID: I agree too. paulm -----Original Message----- From: Gary Mitchell [mailto:wb6yru@aenet.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:05 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] (no subject) Sounds interesting, let's go for it. There's not much difference between having a presentation at a meeting and just a presentation...might as well make it a regular meeting. Gary _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jvn at svpal.org Wed Dec 4 12:12:53 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Changes in 2003 calendar -- two ATM dates Message-ID: <3DEE61C5.36B3@svpal.org> Hi, All, I re-submitted our Houge dates after the original paperwork was misfiled. There were two conflicts, earlier submitted. Please make these changes on all copies of the calendar. July 17 -- change to July 10 Sept.18 -- change to Sept.11 This is to clear the Friends of Houge Park meetings, on the 3rd Thursday of odd-numbered months. The alternate would be to use the other building and be at the mercy of someone else to open the place. Clear Skies (and schedules!) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From bhavner at earthlink.net Fri Dec 6 20:06:54 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: [Fwd: Ready to speak to SJAA] Message-ID: I have confirmed Fulvio Melia "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy" for the April 12th meeting. Please update the calendar and include the meeting. We are booked through April and JVN sent me the following. Should I contact Norm Sperling to see if he can come in May? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Van Nuland [mailto:jvn@svpal.org] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:52 PM To: Bob Havner Subject: [Fwd: Ready to speak to SJAA] Hi, Bob, Wonderful when a fine speaker jumps into our lap! Norm is an excellent, entertaining speaker, always goes over well. I don't know what dates you are working on. Let me know and I'll write to Norm, or you can go ahead and contact him. Of course he may sell books; many others have. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site Norm Sperling wrote: > > Dear Jim, > > My new book, "What Your Astronomy Textbook Won't Tell You", > will be available in a few days. Please read samples and the > table of contents at > http://www.everythingintheuniv.com/new_books.htm#textalternative . > The book retails for $24.95. > > I'll be happy to present a lively slide-talk to SJAA, based > on the book, if permitted to retail copies while there. > Please let me know if you are interested. > > Copies are available by mail for a flat $25 (including sales > tax, first-class postage and, if you want, an autograph) if > we receive your check by December 15. Copies will be mailed > to arrive before December 24. > > Thank you very much. > > Best wishes, > Norman Sperling, Creator > Everything in the Universe > 413 Poinsettia Avenue > San Mateo, CA 94403 > wonttell@rcn.com > 650-573-7125 From mgw at resource-intl.com Fri Dec 6 22:43:41 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: [Fwd: Ready to speak to SJAA] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021206224216.022d3da0@mail201.pair.com> Sperling was outstanding at the Shingletown Star Party this year. Very entertaining. At 08:06 PM 12/6/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I have confirmed Fulvio Melia "The Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy" >for the April 12th meeting. Please update the calendar and include the >meeting. We are booked through April and JVN sent me the following. Should I >contact Norm Sperling to see if he can come in May? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Van Nuland [mailto:jvn@svpal.org] >Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:52 PM >To: Bob Havner >Subject: [Fwd: Ready to speak to SJAA] > > >Hi, Bob, > > Wonderful when a fine speaker jumps into our lap! Norm is an >excellent, entertaining speaker, always goes over well. > > I don't know what dates you are working on. Let me know and I'll >write to Norm, or you can go ahead and contact him. Of course he may >sell books; many others have. > >-- >Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association >JVN's web site > > >Norm Sperling wrote: > > > > Dear Jim, > > > > My new book, "What Your Astronomy Textbook Won't Tell You", > > will be available in a few days. Please read samples and the > > table of contents at > > http://www.everythingintheuniv.com/new_books.htm#textalternative . > > The book retails for $24.95. > > > > I'll be happy to present a lively slide-talk to SJAA, based > > on the book, if permitted to retail copies while there. > > Please let me know if you are interested. > > > > Copies are available by mail for a flat $25 (including sales > > tax, first-class postage and, if you want, an autograph) if > > we receive your check by December 15. Copies will be mailed > > to arrive before December 24. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Best wishes, > > Norman Sperling, Creator > > Everything in the Universe > > 413 Poinsettia Avenue > > San Mateo, CA 94403 > > wonttell@rcn.com > > 650-573-7125 > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard Mark Wagner "I believe this is going to be our finest hour" - Gene Kranz, Flight Director Apollo 13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20021206/9e3b82a0/attachment.html From jane at whiteoaks.com Mon Dec 9 15:10:09 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] February speaker Message-ID: <3DF522D1.90107@whiteoaks.com> I suggested to Bob Havner that Mike, Mojo and I do a Leonid talk in February instead of my scheduled talk. Maybe invite Peter Jenniskens, too. I could do my scheduled observing talk in the fall, like in October, when the objects are visible. Anyway I haven't heard from Koop, and it's time to put the Ephemeris to bed, before we head off on vacation. Mike? Mojo? Stay with my talk in February or put on a Leonid Show(er) and Tell? Jane -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Mon Dec 9 15:14:41 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] February speaker In-Reply-To: <3DF522D1.90107@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: Leonidssssss :) M. On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Jane Houston Jones wrote: > I suggested to Bob Havner that Mike, Mojo and I do a Leonid talk in > February instead of my scheduled talk. Maybe invite Peter Jenniskens, > too. I could do my scheduled observing talk in the fall, like in > October, when the objects are visible. Anyway I haven't heard from > Koop, and it's time to put the Ephemeris to bed, before we head off on > vacation. Mike? Mojo? Stay with my talk in February or put on a > Leonid Show(er) and Tell? Jane > > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Mon Dec 9 15:30:24 2002 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] February speaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess by popular demand Leonids it is. Mike On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Morris Jones wrote: > Leonidssssss :) > > M. > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Jane Houston Jones wrote: > > > I suggested to Bob Havner that Mike, Mojo and I do a Leonid talk in > > February instead of my scheduled talk. Maybe invite Peter Jenniskens, > > too. I could do my scheduled observing talk in the fall, like in > > October, when the objects are visible. Anyway I haven't heard from > > Koop, and it's time to put the Ephemeris to bed, before we head off on > > vacation. Mike? Mojo? Stay with my talk in February or put on a > > Leonid Show(er) and Tell? Jane > > > > > > -- > Morris Jones <*> > San Rafael, CA > mojo@whiteoaks.com > http://www.whiteoaks.com > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From mgw at resource-intl.com Mon Dec 9 18:34:32 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Just and observation. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021209182542.00b90e30@mail201.pair.com> I was looking on the SJAA web-page for what is happening at the December general meeting. Here are a few observations (non astronomical) I made: 1. The Hotline page is out of date. It goes only to December 7. So, knowing a bit about the page I went to the Calendar Of Events page. 2. On the Calendar Of Events page I looked at the general meeting information, but there was no time mentioned. 3. Not that anyone with prior knowledge of what a board meeting is like would come to one intentionally, but nowhere are the board meetings mentioned! 4. The 2003 calendar has some "xx's" still, in place of moon percentages and sun/moon rise/set times. Mark From bill at nineplanets.org Mon Dec 9 23:12:04 2002 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Just and observation. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021209182542.00b90e30@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 06:34 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > I was looking on the SJAA web-page for what is happening at the > December general meeting. Here are a few observations (non > astronomical) I made: > > 1. The Hotline page is out of date. It goes only to December 7. My fault. I updated the file but forgot to upload it to the server. > So, knowing a bit about the page I went to the Calendar Of Events > page. > 2. On the Calendar Of Events page I looked at the general meeting > information, but there was no time mentioned. I'll fix that, too. > 3. Not that anyone with prior knowledge of what a board meeting is > like would come to one intentionally, but nowhere are the board > meetings mentioned! I'll leave it up to the Board to decide what if anything to do about that > 4. The 2003 calendar has some "xx's" still, in place of moon > percentages and sun/moon rise/set times. If it were up to me I would just remove that data; anyone who cares can easily figure it out for himself. But it isn't so I'll just copy what Jim sends me. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From jvn at svpal.org Tue Dec 10 00:30:37 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes Message-ID: <3DF5A62D.68F7@svpal.org> March 2003 1 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:00 pm, 1% moon rises 6:49 am. 7 -Fr- Astronomy Class at Houge Park. 7:30, Dave & Akkana on the Moon 7 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 6:07 pm, 22% moon sets 10:40 pm. 8 -Sa- ATM Class at Houge Park. 7:30 pm 15 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. Robert Naeye, ASP: "Solving the Universe's Mysteries Through Extra Dimensions" 22 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:19 pm, 71% moon rise 11:50 pm. 27 -Th- ATM Class at Houge Park. 7:30 pm 28 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 6:27 pm, 12% moon rise 4:54 am. 29 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:26 pm, 7% moon rises 5:20 am. Speaker: I'm working on someone for May 17. General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. Need to notify Houge. ATM on July and September Thursdays conflict with other meeting at Houge; 3rd Thursday of odd-numbered months are not available. When I re-submitted the list, I made a command decision to move these to the previous Thursday. They are now July 10 and Sep.11. MARK's observations: Bill Arnett gets the hotline text each time. If he prefers, he could set up a pointer to my site, and I'll upload the text instead of mailing it to him. Point to . I'll point back to sjaa.net for the directions. Same for the 2003 calendar in tabular form: . This would allow me to easily insert speakers, topics for astronomy class. Regarding xx and xxxxx fields: I've traditionally computed the sun & moon times for the specific site (Houge, Peak, Coe). This makes it very labor intensive to insert data into the table, so I do only a month at a time. If I were to use Mike's spreadsheet, it would be far easier, and the differences are a minute or so. I think I'll do that. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From bill at nineplanets.org Tue Dec 10 15:13:32 2002 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material now on JVN website In-Reply-To: <3DF5C606.AA0@svpal.org> Message-ID: OK, the hotline and calendar pages are now on Jim's website so he can maintain them directly: . The old pages on the sjaa.net site will redirect to Jim's. Mojo: there's a link at the top of the Ephemeris page that ought to be fixed. Jim: there's no need to continue to send me the calendar updates :-) -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From jvn at svpal.org Wed Dec 11 10:57:00 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Norm Sperling to speak in May Message-ID: <3DF78A7C.3D64@svpal.org> Good news! Norm is coming. I'll write him with times, equipment availability, etc. Also update the 2003 calendar. The URL for his book is http://www.everythingintheuniv.com/new_books.htm#textalternative Watch that the long word after the # is not broken. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's home page Norm Sperling wrote: > > Dear Jim, > > Great! Let's go for the first-available date, May 17, > 2003. I'm looking forward to it! > > Oh yes, the article on FFNs: I got the expression "faint > fuzzy nothings" from SJAA members. > > Best wishes, > Norm > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:01:11 -0800 > >From: Jim Van Nuland > >Subject: Re: Ready to speak to SJAA > >To: Norm Sperling > > > >Norm Sperling wrote: > > > >> My new book, "What Your Astronomy Textbook Won't Tell > You", > >[snip] > >> I'll be happy to present a lively slide-talk to SJAA, > > > > > >Hi, Norm, > > > > This will be fun! We'd be delighted to have you present > your book. > >Open dates (all Saturdays) are May 17, June 14, July 12, > Aug.9, Oct.11, > >Nov.8, Dec.6. > > > > We'd be happy to have you sell copies of the book. It'd > be > >disappointing if you didn't have them! > > From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Dec 11 17:27:40 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Telescope Making Message-ID: <3DF7E60C.2080904@whiteoaks.com> I don't see anything on the website about the ATM class. And I have not received anything for the Ephemeris either. We are finalizing the Ephemeris tonight, have plans tomorrow night and go on vacation Friday at noon. I can whip up a little blurb tonight - something like this which was in the February 2001 Ephemeris, but I don't know who is teaching the class, etc. Any input, even snippets like who is the instructor will be appreciated! I could also just copy the December 2001 Ephemeris information, omitting the Tom Whittemore stuff. But I have a couple other parts of the newsletter to work on too. Learn to make a telescope! Class begins Saturday, January 11, at 7:30 p.m. at Houge Park. It's easier than you think and a lot of fun! See the December issue of the SJAA Ephemeris for more information. (Oh, and ATM means "amateur telescope maker.") Jane -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Dec 11 18:08:28 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes References: <3DF5A62D.68F7@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3DF7EF9C.5050503@whiteoaks.com> Working my way throught the various messages relating to the calendar (for the January Ephemeris). I see this: >General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. >MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. > Need to notify Houge. I was gonna put the first half of the year's ATM classes in a little blurb. Is this April 5 date good? Maybe I could put little "xx's" instead. :-) JHJ Jim Van Nuland wrote: >March 2003 > 1 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:00 pm, 1% moon rises 6:49 am. > 7 -Fr- Astronomy Class at Houge Park. 7:30, Dave & Akkana on the Moon > 7 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 6:07 pm, 22% moon sets 10:40 pm. > 8 -Sa- ATM Class at Houge Park. 7:30 pm > 15 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. Robert Naeye, ASP: "Solving > the Universe's Mysteries Through Extra Dimensions" > 22 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:19 pm, 71% moon rise 11:50 pm. > 27 -Th- ATM Class at Houge Park. 7:30 pm > 28 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 6:27 pm, 12% moon rise 4:54 am. > 29 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:26 pm, 7% moon rises 5:20 am. > >Speaker: I'm working on someone for May 17. > >General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. >MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. > Need to notify Houge. > >ATM on July and September Thursdays conflict with other meeting at > Houge; 3rd Thursday of odd-numbered months are not available. > When I re-submitted the list, I made a command decision to move these > to the previous Thursday. They are now July 10 and Sep.11. > >MARK's observations: > > Bill Arnett gets the hotline text each time. If he prefers, he could >set up a pointer to my site, and I'll upload the text instead of mailing >it to him. Point to . I'll >point back to sjaa.net for the directions. > > Same for the 2003 calendar in tabular form: >. This would allow me to easily >insert speakers, topics for astronomy class. > > Regarding xx and xxxxx fields: > I've traditionally computed the sun & moon times for the specific site >(Houge, Peak, Coe). This makes it very labor intensive to insert data >into the table, so I do only a month at a time. If I were to use Mike's >spreadsheet, it would be far easier, and the differences are a minute or >so. I think I'll do that. > > > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From bhavner at earthlink.net Wed Dec 11 21:30:59 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Telescope Making In-Reply-To: <3DF7E60C.2080904@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: ATM class dates are Saturday 1/11 & Thursday 1/23. I know Dwight Elvey will be taking over for Tom. New members should come by on the 11th to have a look at what the class is all about. Materials should be available then. -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net]On Behalf Of Jane Houston Jones Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:28 PM To: SJAA Board Subject: [SJAABoard] Telescope Making I don't see anything on the website about the ATM class. And I have not received anything for the Ephemeris either. We are finalizing the Ephemeris tonight, have plans tomorrow night and go on vacation Friday at noon. I can whip up a little blurb tonight - something like this which was in the February 2001 Ephemeris, but I don't know who is teaching the class, etc. Any input, even snippets like who is the instructor will be appreciated! I could also just copy the December 2001 Ephemeris information, omitting the Tom Whittemore stuff. But I have a couple other parts of the newsletter to work on too. Learn to make a telescope! Class begins Saturday, January 11, at 7:30 p.m. at Houge Park. It's easier than you think and a lot of fun! See the December issue of the SJAA Ephemeris for more information. (Oh, and ATM means "amateur telescope maker.") Jane -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From bhavner at earthlink.net Wed Dec 11 21:38:02 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes In-Reply-To: <3DF7EF9C.5050503@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net]On Behalf Of Jane Houston Jones Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:08 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes Working my way throught the various messages relating to the calendar (for the January Ephemeris). I see this: >General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. >MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. > Need to notify Houge. I was gonna put the first half of the year's ATM classes in a little blurb. Is this April 5 date good? Maybe I could put little "xx's" instead. :-) JHJ Yes April 5th was agreed to. Bob Jim Van Nuland wrote: >March 2003 > 1 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:00 pm, 1% moon rises 6:49 am. > 7 -Fr- Astronomy Class at Houge Park. 7:30, Dave & Akkana on the Moon > 7 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 6:07 pm, 22% moon sets 10:40 pm. > 8 -Sa- ATM Class at Houge Park. 7:30 pm > 15 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. Robert Naeye, ASP: "Solving > the Universe's Mysteries Through Extra Dimensions" > 22 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:19 pm, 71% moon rise 11:50 pm. > 27 -Th- ATM Class at Houge Park. 7:30 pm > 28 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 6:27 pm, 12% moon rise 4:54 am. > 29 -Sa- Deep-Sky weekend. Sset 6:26 pm, 7% moon rises 5:20 am. > >Speaker: I'm working on someone for May 17. > >General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. >MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. > Need to notify Houge. > >ATM on July and September Thursdays conflict with other meeting at > Houge; 3rd Thursday of odd-numbered months are not available. > When I re-submitted the list, I made a command decision to move these > to the previous Thursday. They are now July 10 and Sep.11. > >MARK's observations: > > Bill Arnett gets the hotline text each time. If he prefers, he could >set up a pointer to my site, and I'll upload the text instead of mailing >it to him. Point to . I'll >point back to sjaa.net for the directions. > > Same for the 2003 calendar in tabular form: >. This would allow me to easily >insert speakers, topics for astronomy class. > > Regarding xx and xxxxx fields: > I've traditionally computed the sun & moon times for the specific site >(Houge, Peak, Coe). This makes it very labor intensive to insert data >into the table, so I do only a month at a time. If I were to use Mike's >spreadsheet, it would be far easier, and the differences are a minute or >so. I think I'll do that. > > > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From mojo at whiteoaks.com Thu Dec 12 01:20:32 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Please help proofread January Ephemeris Message-ID: Folks, the January Ephemeris is going to go to the printer Friday morning, then Jane and I are absent most of the rest of the year. If you can, give it a once-over here: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0301/EphJan03.pdf It's last month's loaner scope data, but I'll update it if I get a new one from Mike. Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Thu Dec 12 23:56:10 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] January Ephemeris delivered to printer Message-ID: I've sent the Ephemeris off to Accuprint. Dave, you can give Roger a quantity. The final version has a few adjustments, and Gary Mitchell's excellent new membership form layout. http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0301/EphJan03.pdf Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From bhavner at earthlink.net Sun Dec 15 20:12:46 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts Message-ID: Did anyone else get this. If we really want to get another GLP for star parties $150 sounds like a good price! -----Original Message----- From: Beta Electronics, Inc. [mailto:belaser@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:43 PM To: Astronomer Subject: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts This GREEN laser pointer has twenty times brighter laser light than the red laser pointer. You can see the laser beam in night sky and use it to point out stars and collimate your telescope. Ideal holiday gifts. The prices have been reduced. Wiill deliver by Christmas. 15-day satisfaction guarantee or full refund. We can engrave the pointers with names. They are ideal gift awards for the star lovers and lecturers. Visit our web site for prices and details: http://www.betapointer.com Too busy to visit now? Save this e-mail for future visits. If you wish to be removed from our list for future sales, please enter your email address at the following web page. Thank you. http://www.greenpointer.com/php-bin/unsubscribe.php From bill at nineplanets.org Sun Dec 15 20:28:57 2002 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 08:12 PM, Bob Havner wrote: > Did anyone else get this.... Yes. Again and again and again :-( This bastard is a spammer. He doesn't deserve our business. -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From akkana at shallowsky.com Sun Dec 15 20:41:59 2002 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021216044159.GA8295@shallowsky.com> Bill Arnett writes: > On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 08:12 PM, Bob Havner wrote: > > >Did anyone else get this.... > > Yes. Again and again and again :-( This bastard is a spammer. He > doesn't deserve our business. Agreed. I've gotten lots of these, both to myself and as bounces when he attempted to mass-post to mailing lists he isn't on. Please don't buy anything that's advertised that way! ...Akkana From jvn at svpal.org Sun Dec 15 20:35:05 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts References: Message-ID: <3DFD57F9.196F@svpal.org> Bob Havner wrote: > Did anyone else get this. Yes, I got about 3 copies to various e-addresses. With that sort of spamming, I'm disinclined to trust him. I most surely don't want to encourage spam by buying anything. Go with legitimate advertisers in Sky & Telescope. He triggered the spam alarm on SV-PAL. To the big bucket! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Dec 16 00:00:28 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts References: Message-ID: <3DFD881C.1B09@aenet.net> Bob Havner wrote: > > Did anyone else get this. If we really want to get another GLP for star > parties $150 sounds like a good price! Yeah--but it's *spam*. As far as I'm concerned, spammers don't deserve *any* business, no matter what they're selling or for what price. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Beta Electronics, Inc. [mailto:belaser@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:43 PM > To: Astronomer > Subject: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts > From mojo at whiteoaks.com Mon Dec 16 00:51:32 2002 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got about eight copies of it. I agree it might be a good deal, but I refuse to deal with a spammer. Mojo On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Bob Havner wrote: > Did anyone else get this. If we really want to get another GLP for star > parties $150 sounds like a good price! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beta Electronics, Inc. [mailto:belaser@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:43 PM > To: Astronomer > Subject: Green laser pointer to point out stars - ideal holiday gifts > > > > This GREEN laser pointer has twenty times brighter laser light than > the red laser pointer. You can see the laser beam in night sky and use it to > point out stars and collimate your telescope. > > Ideal holiday gifts. The prices have been reduced. Wiill deliver by > Christmas. > > 15-day satisfaction guarantee or full refund. > > We can engrave the pointers with names. They are ideal gift awards for the > star lovers and lecturers. > > > Visit our web site for prices and details: > > http://www.betapointer.com > > Too busy to visit now? Save this e-mail for future visits. > > If you wish to be removed from our list for future sales, please enter your > email address at the following web page. Thank you. > > http://www.greenpointer.com/php-bin/unsubscribe.php > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Wed Dec 18 17:13:48 2002 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership Message-ID: <3E011D4C.6030400@znet.com> Well, there were 320 members after the monthly purge. Quite a few people signed up, quite a few expired, and we ended up pretty much where we were. Some of the people who expired may get around to signing up again. That does happen fairly often. We're even seeing a few people skip a year, then sign up again. Dave North From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Dec 18 20:04:06 2002 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership References: <3E011D4C.6030400@znet.com> Message-ID: <3E014536.60702@whiteoaks.com> Dave North wrote: > quite a few expired, My condolences! :-) Jane -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From bhavner at earthlink.net Wed Dec 18 21:56:34 2002 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes Dec. 14, 2002 Message-ID: Please look these over and make any corrections Meeting called to order at 6:46 Present: Mike Koop, Steve Nelson, David Smith, Jim Bartolini, Gary Mitchell, Bob Havner, Jim Van Nuland. Absent: Paul Mancuso, Bill O'Shaughnessy excused Minutes of the November meeting were approved Treasurer?s report: Gary Mitchell Checking Acct. $1195.80 Money Market $2824.44 Savings $396.56 Bulk mail for 2003 paid $150.00 Guadelupe home and school club donated $50.00 as a thank you for a school star party. There was a discussion about weather to accept the donation. It was agreed to make 1 attempt to return by a vote of 6 to1. Paypal account done, web site has yet to be set up. Treasury reports and laptop: Request was made to computer recycling center for laptop. No reply as yet. Membership report: Dave North There were 320 members after the monthly purge. Quite a few people signed up, quite a few expired, and we ended up pretty much where we were. Some of the people who expired may get around to signing up again. That does happen fairly often. We're even seeing a few people skip a year, then sign up again. Loaner scope Program: Mike Koop Donation of a 8? f9 mirror, 4.5? scope, 10? plate glass, clock drive, and 2 6? optical flats by Bruce Bailey. Slow period for loaner program Observational Astronomy Class: Bob Havner Mike will be giving Intro to SJAA in January Contact Akkana about planets in February and Dave for the Moon in March Bob to give Sky talk before classes. ATM Classes: Mike Koop The club 10? mirror is in the polishing stages. Talk about getting building #2 for the ATM class. #2 has second room for testing while lights could remain on for grinding and polishing. Tom Whittemore moving to S.B. Dwight Elvey is taking over the instruction of the classes. Next set of classes to begin on Jan. 11, 2003 General Meeting: Bob Havner Speakers scheduled through May 1/18 Nick Kanas, 2/15 Leonid talk Mike Koop, Jane Houston Jones, and Mojo Jones, 3/15 Robert Naeye, 4/12 Fulvio Melia, 5/17 Norm Sperling Houge park Star Parties: JVN It was discussed about the importance of having someone at the park with the key at all times. The lights came on after they had been shut down and no one was there to torn them back off. School Star Parties: JVN Calls are coming in. Upcoming events are posted on Jim?s web page. There was a recommendation for getting more scopes. Bob has written an Ephemeris article with locations and dates for January to gain support. Dark Sky Parties: Mike Koop It was posted on TAC about SJAA hosting Henry Coe on 1/04/03. We still have no formal Dark sky programs and posting was incorrect. Someone? to contact TAC. Quarterly Star parties: Winter February @ Fremont Peak Spring: March Messier Marathon at Coe. Mike suggested a Short (beginners) list of 20 early/ bright object be added. Summer: August @ Coyote Fall: Calstar @ LSA and another local (Montebello) No dates were set due to lack of time. Elections at Feb Meeting: 2 Candidates are still needed. Tabled Auction April 13, 2003: Tabled Meeting adjourned at 7:55 Bob Havner San Jose Astronomical Association bhavner@earthlink.net From mgw at resource-intl.com Wed Dec 18 22:58:34 2002 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes Dec. 14, 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021218221242.00b6ac80@mail201.pair.com> Not related to correctness of the minutes since I was not present, but comments and questions - At 09:56 PM 12/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Dark Sky Parties: Mike Koop >It was posted on TAC about SJAA hosting Henry Coe on 1/04/03. We still have >no formal Dark sky programs and posting was incorrect. Someone? to contact >TAC. I don't understand the relevance of the last three words above. But, I expect the intent of announcing on TAC is to let observers know the lot is available without the need to contact Ranger Barry (a courtesy to Barry). Maybe its just a matter of wording - would it be better to say "As a service to any interested parties, the SJAA has arranged use of the overflow lot at Coe on the following dates: x/x/xx, x/x/xx, x/x/xx"? To me, its somewhat like TAC having Wednesday nights prearranged with the ranger's, even though nobody has specifically said they will go on any particular date - it just makes things easier. Or, maybe I'm overlooking some big risks or legality? >Quarterly Star parties: >Winter February @ Fremont Peak >Spring: March Messier Marathon at Coe. Mike suggested a Short (beginners) >list of 20 early/ bright object be added. >Summer: August @ Coyote >Fall: Calstar @ LSA and another local (Montebello) >No dates were set due to lack of time. Why are winter and spring star parties so close together? Same for summer and fall? CalStar's dates are set, right? >Elections at Feb Meeting: >2 Candidates are still needed. Tabled Has a request for candidates been sent out on the club's mailing list (or on TAC) or in the Ephemeris? Merry Ho Ho! Mark From jvn at svpal.org Thu Dec 19 01:10:33 2002 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes Dec. 14, 2002 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021218221242.00b6ac80@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3E018D09.757F@svpal.org> Mark Wagner wrote: > At 09:56 PM 12/18/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > >Dark Sky Parties: Mike Koop > >It was posted on TAC about SJAA hosting Henry Coe on 1/04/03. We still have > >no formal Dark sky programs and posting was incorrect. Someone? to contact > >TAC. > > I don't understand the relevance of the last three words above. That was my fault. the ? refers to me -- I was to read the announcement on the TAC page, then contact you if I felt that some change might be desired. I have now read the page. And I feel that "hosting" is the troublesome word. We can't guarantee that we'll have someone there. More below. > But, I > expect the intent of announcing on TAC is to let observers know the lot is > available without the need to contact Ranger Barry (a courtesy to > Barry). That is very desirable. As you will recall, I often post that to TAC when the relevant weekend is being discussed. > Maybe its just a matter of wording - would it be better to say "As > a service to any interested parties, the SJAA has arranged use of the > overflow lot at Coe on the following dates: x/x/xx, x/x/xx, x/x/xx"? It may seem bizarre to say it, but to the above, add "Watch the TAC list to find out whether people are planning to use Coe.". > To me, its somewhat like TAC having Wednesday nights prearranged with the > ranger's, even though nobody has specifically said they will go on any > particular date - it just makes things easier. Or, maybe I'm overlooking > some big risks or legality? The difference is that the Wednesday arrangement does not invite anyone to use the site without first watching the TAC list for a permit-holder to announce an OI. More specifically, it is impossible to know about the Wednesdays except by reading the list; and then the reader also learns to watch for the OI posting. As the Coe announcement stands, the newbie could feel free to go up to Coe, but (especially in poor weather) none of us oldies will be there to say hello. > >Quarterly Star parties: > >Winter February @ Fremont Peak > >Spring: March Messier Marathon at Coe. Mike suggested a Short (beginners) > >list of 20 early/ bright object be added. > >Summer: August @ Coyote > >Fall: Calstar @ LSA and another local (Montebello) > >No dates were set due to lack of time. > Why are winter and spring star parties so close together? Because the January issue of the Ephemeris was already put to bed. Messier Marathon could be Mar.1 or 29; both are Coe dates. > Same for summer > and fall? CalStar's dates are set, right? Cal-Star is Sep.25-28. Thinking about August, that's the month when the AANC star-B-Q is held, so we gotta be careful to avoid a conflict. Maybe July would be safer, and also better spaced. > >Elections at Feb Meeting: > >2 Candidates are still needed. Tabled > > Has a request for candidates been sent out on the club's mailing list (or > on TAC) or in the Ephemeris? That could be done. > Merry Ho Ho! And happy new ones! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Dec 19 01:35:59 2002 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes Dec. 14, 2002 References: Message-ID: <3E0192FF.1533@aenet.net> Bob Havner wrote: > Treasurer?s report: Gary Mitchell > Checking Acct. $1195.80 > Money Market $2824.44 > Savings $396.56 > Bulk mail for 2003 paid $150.00 That was the annual fee. I also reported that it had gone up from $100. At the same time, $800 was put into our bulk mail account. (For a total of $950 expected Ephemeris postage cost for 2003.) > Guadelupe home and school club donated $50.00 as a thank you for a school > star party. There was a discussion about weather to accept the donation. It > was agreed to make 1 attempt to return by a vote of 6 to1. This isn't a correction, just a follow-up for everyone's info: I have since found out that they plan for and give out a few donations like this every year. The kids aren't deprived of anything as a result. So, I think we should just accept it. Perhaps some kind of thank you note would be appropriate. Or maybe we could find out when their next bake sale is and several of us could show up and help them out. Maybe we could bring the solar scope? I'm serious. If you guys like the idea, I'll make some inquiries. Gary