From mgw at resource-intl.com Thu Jan 2 12:49:12 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102123756.026ecaf0@mail201.pair.com> Don't know why this popped into my head, but it did and I thought I'd pass it along. Some time ago I was approached by e-mail by Curtis Price (?) who said he was supervising ranger at FPeak. A bit of discussion ensued about the future of the FPO, and the intended change from the state working with a cooperating association to a "concession." Bids are or will be taken for the concession - FPOA I expect is going to be one of the bidders, but who else might be interested is unknown, at least to me. So, this is what popped into my thoughts.... There is a chance the FPOA may not get the concession, and it may be that someone not so wonderful from the standpoint of the regular observers or even the FPOA members might somehow find their way into the position of concessionaire. It could happen. So I thought it may make sense to try stacking the deck a bit with other legitimate (as compared to TAC, which is illegitimate ;-) astronomy groups, so "our" chances are better. It also occurred to me that initially the FPO was going to be the SJAA's observatory, if my understanding of history is correct. Heck, other than Celestron, I bet the SJAA is the biggest single contributor monetarily to the FPO. So, why not get the SJAA involved in the process? I see only upsides. And, from when I used to be involved on the SJAA board, there always seemed to be the desire for the SJAA to have an observatory. I wonder if Kevin and Denni would be amenable? I kind of suspect they'd think "better the SJAA than Chevron".... Mark From bill at nineplanets.org Thu Jan 2 13:55:24 2003 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102123756.026ecaf0@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't it be simpler for Kevin to just say, "If it isn't FPOA then I'll take my telescope away"? That would seem to be stack things pretty heavily in their favor :-) On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 12:49 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > Don't know why this popped into my head, but it did and I thought I'd > pass it along. > > Some time ago I was approached by e-mail by Curtis Price (?) who said > he was supervising ranger at FPeak. A bit of discussion ensued about > the future of the FPO, and the intended change from the state working > with a cooperating association to a "concession." Bids are or will be > taken for the concession - FPOA I expect is going to be one of the > bidders, but who else might be interested is unknown, at least to me. > > So, this is what popped into my thoughts.... > > There is a chance the FPOA may not get the concession, and it may be > that someone not so wonderful from the standpoint of the regular > observers or even the FPOA members might somehow find their way into > the position of concessionaire. It could happen. > > So I thought it may make sense to try stacking the deck a bit with > other legitimate (as compared to TAC, which is illegitimate ;-) > astronomy groups, so "our" chances are better. It also occurred to me > that initially the FPO was going to be the SJAA's observatory, if my > understanding of history is correct. Heck, other than Celestron, I > bet the SJAA is the biggest single contributor monetarily to the FPO. > So, why not get the SJAA involved in the process? I see only upsides. > And, from when I used to be involved on the SJAA board, there always > seemed to be the desire for the SJAA to have an observatory. > > I wonder if Kevin and Denni would be amenable? I kind of suspect > they'd think "better the SJAA than Chevron".... > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From north at znet.com Thu Jan 2 14:03:41 2003 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0D7B8166-1E9E-11D7-B208-000393836B64@znet.com> Bill Arnett: > Wouldn't it be simpler for Kevin to just say, "If it isn't FPOA then > I'll take my telescope away"? That would seem to be stack things > pretty heavily in their favor Though that's a good point, the scope itself is leased to FPOA for $1 per year. Which means, of course, that FPOA has -- as part of its bid -- the telescope. Anyone who thinks they can outbid that is probably welcome to give it a shot -- since the potential income from a scopeless Fremont Peak concession is probably in the negative numbers, I sort of doubt the bidding is going to be particularly competitive. But maybe I'm missing something. d From mgw at resource-intl.com Thu Jan 2 14:18:04 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102123756.026ecaf0@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102141656.00ba3178@mail201.pair.com> It would do that, yes. And probably greatly tick-off the state. At 01:55 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Wouldn't it be simpler for Kevin to just say, "If it isn't FPOA then I'll >take my telescope away"? That would seem to be stack things pretty >heavily in their favor :-) >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From bill at nineplanets.org Thu Jan 2 15:11:50 2003 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102141656.00ba3178@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <92CCAFA4-1EA7-11D7-A8A1-0030655A4BEC@nineplanets.org> Well, I expect Kevin could be a great deal more diplomatic than I :-) On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 02:18 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > It would do that, yes. And probably greatly tick-off the state. > > At 01:55 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> Wouldn't it be simpler for Kevin to just say, "If it isn't FPOA then >> I'll take my telescope away"? That would seem to be stack things >> pretty heavily in their favor :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> SJAABoard mailing list >> SJAABoard@sjaa.net >> http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From mgw at resource-intl.com Thu Jan 2 15:37:24 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: <92CCAFA4-1EA7-11D7-A8A1-0030655A4BEC@nineplanets.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102141656.00ba3178@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102153554.00ba3178@mail201.pair.com> Maybe. Maybe not! I think Denni is pretty diplomatic.... when I've spoken with Kevin, he's been... er.... direct (which I appreciate). At 03:11 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Well, I expect Kevin could be a great deal more diplomatic than I :-) > >On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 02:18 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > >> >>It would do that, yes. And probably greatly tick-off the state. >> >>At 01:55 PM 1/2/2003 -0800, you wrote: >>>Wouldn't it be simpler for Kevin to just say, "If it isn't FPOA then >>>I'll take my telescope away"? That would seem to be stack things pretty >>>heavily in their favor :-) >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SJAABoard mailing list >>>SJAABoard@sjaa.net >>>http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SJAABoard mailing list >>SJAABoard@sjaa.net >>http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > >-- >Bill Arnett >bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ >Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From mojo at whiteoaks.com Fri Jan 3 10:40:40 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: <0D7B8166-1E9E-11D7-B208-000393836B64@znet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Dave North wrote: > Bill Arnett: > > > Wouldn't it be simpler for Kevin to just say, "If it isn't FPOA then > > I'll take my telescope away"? That would seem to be stack things > > pretty heavily in their favor > > Though that's a good point, the scope itself is leased to FPOA for $1 > per year. Which means, of course, that FPOA has -- as part of its bid > -- the telescope. > Anyone who thinks they can outbid that is probably welcome to give it > a shot -- since the potential income from a scopeless Fremont Peak > concession is probably in the negative numbers, I sort of doubt the > bidding is going to be particularly competitive. > But maybe I'm missing something. Yes, there is more. Part of Kevin's lease stipulates that no one will be charged to look through the telescope. This adds a curious wrinkle to the Request for Bid from the state, since most such contracts convey some income to the state. I think the most interesting bids will be for something like $1 per year, or perhaps a negative amount -- "We'll operate the astronomy concession at Fremont Peak if you only pay us $100 per year." Clearly if FPOA doesn't win the concession, the observatory will not house the 30" telescope. It's possible that a winning bidder could offer to establish an astronomy concession at the park using some other telescope (any random 16" Meade SCT for instance) charging visitors $5 a head to look through it, and offering a cut to the state. The existing model is for the Ferguson observatory at Sugar Loaf Ridge, which charges visitors $4 each to view through their two telescopes. Their contract, if I recall vaguely, is based around reimbursing the state for lost revenue from missing parking spaces. I don't know how much they're paying. The FPOA was created originally because the state would only contract with an independent organization, and SJAA didn't qualify. Or something to that effect. I'm really speaking from a foggy memory of hearsay, so my facts are suspect. :) Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mgw at resource-intl.com Fri Jan 3 11:29:42 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: References: <0D7B8166-1E9E-11D7-B208-000393836B64@znet.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030103112844.02380280@mail201.pair.com> The info about Sugarloaf is particularly interesting. Thanks for posting this, Mojo. At 10:40 AM 1/3/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, there is more. Part of Kevin's lease stipulates that no one will be >charged to look through the telescope. > >This adds a curious wrinkle to the Request for Bid from the state, since >most such contracts convey some income to the state. I think the most >interesting bids will be for something like $1 per year, or perhaps a >negative amount -- "We'll operate the astronomy concession at Fremont Peak >if you only pay us $100 per year." > >Clearly if FPOA doesn't win the concession, the observatory will not house >the 30" telescope. It's possible that a winning bidder could offer to >establish an astronomy concession at the park using some other telescope >(any random 16" Meade SCT for instance) charging visitors $5 a head to >look through it, and offering a cut to the state. > >The existing model is for the Ferguson observatory at Sugar Loaf Ridge, >which charges visitors $4 each to view through their two telescopes. >Their contract, if I recall vaguely, is based around reimbursing the >state for lost revenue from missing parking spaces. I don't know how >much they're paying. > >The FPOA was created originally because the state would only contract with >an independent organization, and SJAA didn't qualify. Or something to that >effect. > >I'm really speaking from a foggy memory of hearsay, so my facts are >suspect. :) > >Mojo >-- >Morris Jones <*> >San Rafael, CA >mojo@whiteoaks.com >http://www.whiteoaks.com > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jvn at svpal.org Fri Jan 3 20:13:39 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... References: Message-ID: <3E165F73.2321@svpal.org> Morris Jones wrote: > Clearly if FPOA doesn't win the concession, the observatory will not house > the 30" telescope. It's possible that a winning bidder could offer to > establish an astronomy concession at the park using some other telescope Who legally owns the building? It's built so that the supporting pillars can be separated below grade, the building removed, and the site restored. It's considered a temporary building, I seem to recall. > The existing model is for the Ferguson observatory at Sugar Loaf Ridge, > which charges visitors $4 each to view through their two telescopes. Let's go set up a bunch of scopes and offer FREE looks! Payment for parking spaces, how silly. If the $4 went to support the building and scope maintenance, I might feel less bad about it. > The FPOA was created originally because the state would only contract with > an independent organization, and SJAA didn't qualify. Or something to that > effect. That's correct; the state insisted on an organization whose sole/specific charter was the observatory. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Jan 3 23:55:58 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... References: <3E165F73.2321@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E16938E.7D24@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Morris Jones wrote: > > > Clearly if FPOA doesn't win the concession, the observatory will not house > > the 30" telescope. It's possible that a winning bidder could offer to > > establish an astronomy concession at the park using some other telescope > > Who legally owns the building? It's built so that the supporting > pillars can be separated below grade, the building removed, and the site > restored. It's considered a temporary building, I seem to recall. > > > The existing model is for the Ferguson observatory at Sugar Loaf Ridge, > > which charges visitors $4 each to view through their two telescopes. > > Let's go set up a bunch of scopes and offer FREE looks! Payment for > parking spaces, how silly. If the $4 went to support the building and > scope maintenance, I might feel less bad about it. > > > The FPOA was created originally because the state would only contract with > > an independent organization, and SJAA didn't qualify. Or something to that > > effect. > > That's correct; the state insisted on an organization whose > sole/specific charter was the observatory. I remember hearing about that. I understand the SJAA was going to be the hosting organization, but the FPOA had to be formed because of this ridiculous restriction by the state. This concession thing strikes me as even more silly. Gary From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 4 15:30:17 2003 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030102123756.026ecaf0@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <20030104233017.45134.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> Is this a general state policy change, or did some official decide to change Fremont Peak's terms individually? It sounds like some bureaucrat is making things up who doesn't know the history. Is the change decision irrevocable? David Smith --- Mark Wagner wrote: > was supervising ranger at FPeak. A bit of > discussion ensued about the > future of the FPO, and the intended change from the > state working with a > cooperating association to a "concession." Bids are > or will be taken for > the concession - FPOA I expect is going to be one of > the bidders, but who > else might be interested is unknown, at least to me. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Sat Jan 4 16:57:19 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FPO thought... In-Reply-To: <20030104233017.45134.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FPOA has been in negotiations for a new contract for a couple of years now. Originally I believe that a concessionaire contract was offered to FPOA as an alternative model in response to a desire by FPOA to have the state less involved in volunteer operations at the observatory and give FPOA more control. At this point it's no longer an option. But the crux of the issue is probably liability insurance. By dropping the cooperative association arrangement, the state is able to remove a liability exposure from their books. Everyone involved knows the history fairly well. Returning to a cooperative association agreement is not an option being offered to FPOA now. It looks like they have to go through this Request for Bid process and see what happens. Mojo On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, David Smith wrote: > Is this a general state policy change, or did some > official decide to change Fremont Peak's terms > individually? It sounds like some bureaucrat is > making things up who doesn't know the history. Is the > change decision irrevocable? > > David Smith > > --- Mark Wagner wrote: > > was supervising ranger at FPeak. A bit of > > discussion ensued about the > > future of the FPO, and the intended change from the > > state working with a > > cooperating association to a "concession." Bids are > > or will be taken for > > the concession - FPOA I expect is going to be one of > > the bidders, but who > > else might be interested is unknown, at least to me. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jvn at svpal.org Sat Jan 4 20:16:50 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Grant from Andrah Foundation -- Ephemeris article References: <3C363539.E2A@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E17B1B2.3E10@svpal.org> Morris/Jane: for the Ephemeris Andrah Foundation supports SJAA As in previous years, the Andrah Foundation of Michigan, through it's local representatives, Paul and Ann Summers, have given $600 to SJAA. This is to promote education and public awareness of Astronomy. We thank Paul and Ann, and the Andrah Foundation, for their generosity. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's home page From akkana at shallowsky.com Mon Jan 13 12:26:03 2003 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Planet class Message-ID: <20030113202603.GB732@shallowsky.com> At the last meeting someone asked me if I could do the planet class in Feb., but no one was quite sure of the date and someone was going to email me with the info. I never got any mail, but I see in the Jan Ephemeris that there's a class on Feb 21 (it doesn't mention speaker or topic). I'm expecting to be in San Diego at a Linux conference on that day. Is that the class that I was supposed to teach, and if so, can you get someone else for February and move my planet class to a later date? ...Akkana From bill at nineplanets.org Mon Jan 13 13:27:37 2003 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Shingletown Star Party 2003, June 25-30 In-Reply-To: <200301131705.h0DH5DAp011665@seds.lpl.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Jim posted this to the old sjaa list at SEDS. I'm guessing it was intended for the board.... > Hi, folks. > > I attended the SSP Committee meeting in Shingletown on Saturday, Jan. > 11, > 2003. The > meeting went very well; many issues were brought up and each one was > discussed and > resolved, either in form of making a decision or finding someone who > would > look into the > various requirements needed to make the SSP possible. Without going > into > detail at this > point, I will just say that almost all of the problems which arose > during > last year's event > (other than the weather, of course!) have been addressed and will be > either > remedied or > vastly improved upon this year. > > One of the key items on the agenda concerned the need for volunteer > work to > be done at > the Shingletown airport, much of which would be needed on Wednesday, > the > first day of the > event. Help will be required with such chores as erecting (and later > taking > down) the large > canopies that will be used in the hospitality area and other strategic > spots > (the cost is much > lower if the tent providers aren't required to also provide the labor), > shift work manning the > entrance, helping with assembling / disassembling the platform for > performers and speakers, > trash patrol on Monday morning and various other tasks which may be > required > before, > during and after the event. > > A sign-up sheet will be established on the SSP website at > http://www.shingletownstarparty.org/ > around the first week of February. I will be there during the entire > event > to help out, and I'm > hoping that others will sign up to offer their support and assistance > in > making SSP 2003 a truly > wonderful event for all! > > Clear skies! > > Jim .............. 8-) > > ========================================= > Jim Bartolini > ========================================= From bhavner at earthlink.net Mon Jan 13 22:04:41 2003 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Planet class In-Reply-To: <20030113202603.GB732@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: Akkana, I'm sure we can get someone to do the Feb class. Can you do the planets on April 25th? Bob -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net]On Behalf Of Akkana Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:26 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: [SJAABoard] Planet class At the last meeting someone asked me if I could do the planet class in Feb., but no one was quite sure of the date and someone was going to email me with the info. I never got any mail, but I see in the Jan Ephemeris that there's a class on Feb 21 (it doesn't mention speaker or topic). I'm expecting to be in San Diego at a Linux conference on that day. Is that the class that I was supposed to teach, and if so, can you get someone else for February and move my planet class to a later date? ...Akkana _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jane at whiteoaks.com Mon Jan 13 23:37:26 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes References: <3DF5A62D.68F7@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E23BE36.2080000@whiteoaks.com> What is the status of the April meeting/speaker?? This is just a one liner at the bottom of the Feb/march Activities Calendar. Thanks, d'editors General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. Need to notify Houge. -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From akkana at shallowsky.com Tue Jan 14 11:58:03 2003 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Planet class In-Reply-To: References: <20030113202603.GB732@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <20030114195803.GC14305@shallowsky.com> Bob Havner writes: > Akkana, > > I'm sure we can get someone to do the Feb class. Can you do the planets on > April 25th? Yes, that sounds fine! Please put me down for April 25. Thanks. ...Akkana From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Tue Jan 14 15:10:22 2003 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes In-Reply-To: <3E23BE36.2080000@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: This is a confirmation that the April 12 ATM class is moved to April 5th since we scheduled a General meeting that evening. According to the online calendar the speaker will be Fulvio Melia speaking on "The Black Hole at the middle of the Galaxy" Jim, please update your calendar and notify Ray at Houge. Sorry for the confusion. Mike On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Jane Houston Jones wrote: > What is the status of the April meeting/speaker?? This is just a one > liner at the bottom of the Feb/march Activities Calendar. > > Thanks, d'editors > > General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. > MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. > Need to notify Houge. > > > -- > Jane Houston Jones > San Rafael, CA > jane@whiteoaks.com > http://www.whiteoaks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From jane at whiteoaks.com Tue Jan 14 18:38:22 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes References: Message-ID: <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> Thanks. So we have both a general meeting on the Saturday night and the auction the next day in April. And Dave and Akkana are doing the March Astronomy Class and February is "TBD" Jane Michael Koop wrote: >This is a confirmation that the April 12 ATM class is moved to April 5th >since we scheduled a General meeting that evening. According to the online >calendar the speaker will be Fulvio Melia speaking on >"The Black Hole at the middle of the Galaxy" >Jim, please update your calendar and notify Ray at Houge. >Sorry for the confusion. > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From akkana at shallowsky.com Tue Jan 14 18:39:36 2003 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes In-Reply-To: <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> References: <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <20030115023936.GD17990@shallowsky.com> Jane Houston Jones writes: > And Dave and Akkana are doing the March > Astronomy Class and February is "TBD" Dave is doing March, I'm doing April. ...Akkana From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Jan 14 19:02:43 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calstar & Saturday's board meeting In-Reply-To: <20030115023936.GD17990@shallowsky.com> References: <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030114185946.02536330@mail201.pair.com> I will attempt to contact Lake San Antonio and the caterers who provided the BBQ dinner for feedback from last year. I'll attend the board meeting to report on what I hear, if CalStar 2003 can be added to the agenda. Let me know. Mark From bhavner at earthlink.net Tue Jan 14 21:48:06 2003 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Planet class In-Reply-To: <20030114195803.GC14305@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net]On Behalf Of Akkana Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:58 AM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] Planet class Bob Havner writes: > Akkana, > > I'm sure we can get someone to do the Feb class. Can you do the planets on > April 25th? Yes, that sounds fine! Please put me down for April 25. Thanks. ...Akkana _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From bhavner at earthlink.net Tue Jan 14 21:58:53 2003 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We also have Norn Sperling on May 17. His Book What your Astronomy Textbook wont tell you. Messier Marathon March 29/30 Henry Coe State park. For calendar: Astro classes Feb open. Possible Astro equipment class? March 7 Observing the Moon class Dave North April 25 Observing the Planets class Akkana Peck (please correct me on the last name) Bob -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-admin@sjaa.net]On Behalf Of Michael Koop Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:10 PM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, including changes This is a confirmation that the April 12 ATM class is moved to April 5th since we scheduled a General meeting that evening. According to the online calendar the speaker will be Fulvio Melia speaking on "The Black Hole at the middle of the Galaxy" Jim, please update your calendar and notify Ray at Houge. Sorry for the confusion. Mike On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Jane Houston Jones wrote: > What is the status of the April meeting/speaker?? This is just a one > liner at the bottom of the Feb/march Activities Calendar. > > Thanks, d'editors > > General Meeting in April: we've scheduled a speaker for Apr.12. > MIKE: we need to move the ATM from this date. Apr.5 available. > Need to notify Houge. > > > -- > Jane Houston Jones > San Rafael, CA > jane@whiteoaks.com > http://www.whiteoaks.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From mojo at whiteoaks.com Wed Jan 15 00:04:01 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Feb Ephemeris for proofing Message-ID: The February Ephemeris will go to Accuprint tomorrow afternoon. If you have a chance to give it a once-over before then, I'd be appreciative. http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0302/EphFeb03.pdf Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jvn at svpal.org Wed Jan 15 01:32:10 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, Summary of all changes References: <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <3E251CA9.333D@svpal.org> Hoo-kay, I think I have it all incorporated into the master file at . Please check it all. Jane, since I'm now updating the calendar page in near real-time, is there any need for me to send it explicitly? Jan.24 Class tba Feb.15 General meeting, meteors by Jane, Mike, and Morris Feb.21 Class, Jay Freeman on binoculars (gleaned from Ephemeris) Mar. 7 Class, Dave on the Moon Mar.29 Messier Marathon at Coe Apr. 5 new date for ATM class, moved from Apr.12, Houge approval requested Jan.14. Apr.12 General meeting with Fulvio Melia (added meeting) Apr.25 Class, Akkana on the planets May 17 General meeting, Norm Sperling's newest book And two other changes not mentioned recently: Jul.10 ATM class, moved from Jul.17 Sep.11 ATM class, moved from Sep.18 -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Jan 15 12:16:09 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar material, March 2003, Summary of all changes References: <3E24C99E.5070105@whiteoaks.com> <3E251CA9.333D@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E25C189.7070909@whiteoaks.com> It might be easier for us to just get the monthly Ephemeris material off the SJAA website. I could always send you the Eph Calendar as I create it - usually we get to the Ephemeris sort of late at night on the night it is due. :-( It gets difficult to save and read through many emails as various events are added and changed over time. Jane Jim Van Nuland wrote: >Jane, since I'm now updating the calendar page in near real-time, is >there any need for me to send it explicitly? > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Thu Jan 16 00:06:02 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: Feb Ephemeris for proofing In-Reply-To: <25.32c56bd1.2b57a8d7@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 LewKurtz@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/15/03 12:04:17 AM, mojo@whiteoaks.com writes: > > << http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0302/EphFeb03.pdf >> > > Mojo, > > Could you add a note someplace about board of directors elections? > > Lew Now you tell me? When was I going to find out about this? =) What should it say? "There are board of directors elections" How about some details? When are they being held? Who's been nominated? When are nominations? And where the heck am I going to put it? :) :) Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Tue Jan 21 12:32:28 2003 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Unchanged Member List Message-ID: <75A7FAA6-2D7F-11D7-A27C-000393836B64@znet.com> It's not important that you didn't get a membership report before the meeting (and a good thing, too, since we were down one member as of Saturday, but in today's mail we went back to even). Several people expired, several signed up, net change zero. No further comment. dave From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Jan 21 12:49:42 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Unchanged Member List In-Reply-To: <75A7FAA6-2D7F-11D7-A27C-000393836B64@znet.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030121124848.02a08e98@mail201.pair.com> At 1/21/2003, you wrote: >Several people expired There must be a nicer way to say that! From north at znet.com Tue Jan 21 12:48:18 2003 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Unchanged Member List In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030121124848.02a08e98@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: >> Several people expired Mark: > There must be a nicer way to say that! Right you are! "Several people went on to pursue other observations." d From Paulm at catc.com Fri Jan 24 08:11:07 2003 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meeting minutes Message-ID: SJAA Board meeting 1/18/03 started at 6:35pm. Dave Smith absent November minutes approved. Treasurers report 11,951.80 checking 2,826.61 observatory fund 397.20 Dr. Gregory award fund 11 observers handbooks and 5 calendars remained when I took these notes. Jim Van Nuland said "Andra foundation sent $600. I sent a thank you note". No membership report. Mike Koop: Loaner program quiet, not much activity. Bob Havner: observers astronomy class - Mike and Bob intro. Jay Freeman, binoculars, February. Dave North, Moon, March. Akana North, planets, April. ATM class: How to handle materials for the class? Presently Jane Huston is paying out of her own money. Motion was made for the club to pay for the materials and passed unanimously. There was some discussion about how to handle a speaker who had something to sell. Mark Wagner talked about Cal Star. The catering went very well. Motion made to pay for 2 nights of catering. Passed. Hogee Park: should have a start time and an end time posted. 7 to 10 winter, move for summer. School star parties: Last year bigger than ever. Lost 2 events due to scheduling problems. List of available dates is on the web. Add words to calendar. February - Annual meeting Board elections, and December - Holiday meeting. There was some talk about the States Fremont Peak Concession plan. Need two new board members. Mike Koop and Steve Nelson are on the election committee. Paul Mancuso and Jim Bartolini are leaving the board. Auction coming up, need ads. Meeting adjourned at 7:50pm. From jvn at svpal.org Sun Jan 26 01:41:15 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Times for Houge park star parties; sunset and moon times for Deep-Sky weekends. Message-ID: <3E33AD3B.244B@svpal.org> Hi, All, Following Mike's directions, I've added start and end times for the Houge Park star parties in year2002.htm (below). I simply inserted an additional line. Sample: 7 -Fr- Houge Park star party. Sset 5:39 pm, 38% moon sets 11:52 pm. Star party hours: 7 to 10 pm. JANE: is there a better way to format this for your use? Do we need to mention the sunset time? I used the following rules: 1) start time is nautical twilight, adjusted to best half-hour, but 2) not earlier than 7 pm, even in winter; 3) end time is 3 hours after start time, but 4) not later than midnight. This will allow time for the key-runner to get to the park, and also provides an ending time for those cases when the sky is poor and/or there are no longer any customers. It is expected that those who wish to say later may do so, but the lights might get turned on so the key-keeper can leave. Likewise, anyone may come and set up earlier; it is expected that most people will set up early enough to be ready at the announced time. Another reason for adding the times is that beginners have been confused as to when the star party is expected to start. Specifically, prior to the Class, someone asked when we would have started, and mentioned that the calendar had given the time of sunset. A few others chimed in with similar comments. After all these years, we're finally getting it right. DEEP-SKY WEEKENDS: I've inserted the sunset time and moon rise/set times for deep-sky weekends, obtaining the times from Mike's amazing spreadsheet calendar. Previously I'd calculated them for The Peak or for Coe, but the times vary only a minute or (rarely) two. Moreover, the actual time of sunset varies that much, depending on atmospheric conditions and local horizons. So it's spurious accuracy to use the parks' positions. (However, times at Yosemite or RTMC must be calculated for those sites, as times are significantly different for such distances.) YET TO DO: Insert the percentage of moon that is rising or setting. I'll work on that no slower than monthly. Look it over. Thanks! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association 2003 calendar page From jvn at svpal.org Mon Jan 27 21:55:33 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes - Jan, 2003, small corrections Message-ID: <3E361B55.4FF0@svpal.org> Hi, Paul, I found a few nits to pick on the minutes. ABSENCE: Dave's was an excused absence, a legal difference. Spelling: Hogee should be Houge (Park) Akana should be Akkana (Peck) Huston should be Jane (Houston) Andra should be Andrah (Foundation). FOLLOW-ON stuff: I've added start and end times to Houge Public star parties. Start at 7 or approximate nautical twilight, whichever later. Ending after three hours or midnight, whichever earlier. Done to on-line calendar and to hotline pages. I've added the "Annual Meeting, Board Elections" to February, and "Holiday Party" to December. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's home page From Paulm at catc.com Tue Jan 28 08:13:55 2003 From: Paulm at catc.com (Paul Mancuso) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes - Jan, 2003, small corrections Message-ID: Thanks Jim, do you want me to change it and reemail? paulm -----Original Message----- From: Jim Van Nuland [mailto:jvn@svpal.org] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:56 PM To: SJAA Board Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes - Jan, 2003, small corrections Hi, Paul, I found a few nits to pick on the minutes. ABSENCE: Dave's was an excused absence, a legal difference. Spelling: Hogee should be Houge (Park) Akana should be Akkana (Peck) Huston should be Jane (Houston) Andra should be Andrah (Foundation). FOLLOW-ON stuff: I've added start and end times to Houge Public star parties. Start at 7 or approximate nautical twilight, whichever later. Ending after three hours or midnight, whichever earlier. Done to on-line calendar and to hotline pages. I've added the "Annual Meeting, Board Elections" to February, and "Holiday Party" to December. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's home page _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From Jim.Bartolini at monterey.army.mil Wed Jan 29 10:51:52 2003 From: Jim.Bartolini at monterey.army.mil (Bartolini, Jim) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:18 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] unsubscribe Message-ID: <7FFFE5F732B8D511B89E00306E00F0A9018B6BF8@POMMAIL1> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1096 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20030129/4ce5b1e3/attachment.bin