From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Apr 1 00:50:25 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Minutes, March 15 2003 -- draft References: <3E880714.679@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E8952D1.33A@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Hi, All, > > Attached is my first pass at the Minutes for March. GARY: I need the > balance in the Observatory Fund. Should have asked right away. As of 3/6/2003, $2832.04 > BOB: Should the minutes include the list of speakers for the astronomy > class? I'd like to have it in any case. > > When we are agreed on this draft, I'll copy it to Rich and Jeffery. > > Since I have a fancy printer now, I used fancy text. If you'd rather > see plain text, I can do that too. I'm using Wordpad, not Word, so the > file is about 5Kbytes instead of 25K. RTF is pretty efficient. Plain text please, always. Everyone can easily read that with no conversion worries. The minutes don't have to be fancy. Gary From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Apr 1 13:59:47 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar catered dinner menu choices have arrived. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401131917.00b97950@mail201.pair.com> Shirley Silveira, of Valley Catering in King City sent us a menu selection for the two catered dinners we have scheduled at CalStar this year. I am herein transcribing the exact text of the cover letter and menu sheet for the consideration of the SJAA board and members of its mailing list. If a small group needs to be put together to determine which menu selections we should choose, I will leave it to Mike Koop to assign this task. Mark Wagner ----------------- Dear Mark: I am sending you a menu that you can pick from. I can make any changes that you want in the menu. Last year you had B-B-Q Tri-Tip, Boneless Chicken Breast, B-B-Q Beans, Green Salad with Italian Dressing, Garlic Bread And Assorted Soda and Water the price would be $14.00 per person. The price would be the same both days but different menu. I do charge traveling fees $100.00 both days nonrefundable. I do require a $300.00 deposit to guarantee that day, which will be refunded the day of the event. If you cancel one month or less from the date of the event it is nonrefundable. Any questions regarding this letter please call me any time leave a message if I am not in and I will return your call. Thank You. Shirley Silveira -------------- Menu MEATS: B-B-Q: Top Sirloin... Tri-Tip... Chicken... Roast Beef... Ham...Turkey Breast... Stuffed Chicken Breast. HOT DISHES: (Choice of Two) Lasagna... Mock Ravioli... Pasta... Rice... Baked Potato... Baby Carrots B-B-Q Beans... Scalloped Potatoes... Company Potatoes... Broccoli w/cheese or Hollandaise Sauce... Mixed Vegetables... Potatoes Au Gratin... Green Beans Bacon and Almonds SALADS: (Choice of One Salad and Choice of Dressing) Tossed Green... Spinach... Bean... Potato... Macaroni... Coleslaw... Rice... Sliced Tomatoes (In Season)... Fresh Fruit (In Season)... Strawberry Pretzel Salad... Assorted Jell-O Salads... Pasta Italian... Ranch... Blue Cheese... Thousand Island BREADS: (Choice of One) French Rolls... Garlic Bread... Dinner Rolls PRICES PER PERSON PLUS SALES TAX: Top Sirloin Tri-Tip Chicken Ham Stuffed Chicken Breast Turkey Roast Beef Swiss Sausage All dinners include: Coffee... punch... plates... silverware... napkins.... cups. Note: If china dishes are used at an event, there will be a fee for rinsing the dishes. The fees are 50 cents per person. The dishes are ordered by the party. If you desire the caterer to order the rental of dishes, there will be a fee for delivery from the rental company to the event site. Note: Sit Down Dinners Served Are $2.50 Per Person Extra. HORS D'OEUVRES (COLD) Bean Dip... Cheese Ball... Artichoke Dip... Spinach Crab Dip... Vegetable Dip... Zucchini Or Artichoke Squares... Cheese Fondue... Stuffed Jalapenos Poppers... Mini Quiches... Stuffed Tortilla Rolls... Crab Mold.. Spinach Dip... Log Roll... Salsa.. Chips... Bread... Crackers HORS D'OEUVRES (HOT) Meat Balls... Linguica... Sweetbreads... Chicken Wings... Cocktail Wieners... Swiss Sausage PRICE PER PERSON: Cold Hors d'oeuvres Choice of Four $2.00 Extra Per Person Hot Hors d'oeuvres Choice of Two $3.00 Extra Per Person NOTE: Additional Salad for $1.50 Extra Per Person ----- Wheh.... that was a lot of typing. I never thought I'd be involved in catering... Mark From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Apr 1 18:31:15 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar catered dinner menu choices have arrived. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401131917.00b97950@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3E8A4B73.56B2@aenet.net> Mark Wagner wrote: > > Shirley Silveira, of Valley Catering in King City sent us a menu selection > for the two catered dinners we have scheduled at CalStar this year. > > I am herein transcribing the exact text of the cover letter and menu sheet > for the consideration of the SJAA board and members of its mailing > list. If a small group needs to be put together to determine which menu > selections we should choose, I will leave it to Mike Koop to assign this task. > > Mark Wagner > > ----------------- > > Dear Mark: > > I am sending you a menu that you can pick from. I can make any changes > that you want in the menu. Last year you had B-B-Q Tri-Tip, Boneless > Chicken Breast, B-B-Q Beans, Green Salad with Italian Dressing, Garlic > Bread And Assorted Soda and Water the price would be $14.00 per > person. The price would be the same both days but different menu. I do > charge traveling fees $100.00 both days nonrefundable. I do require a > $300.00 deposit to guarantee that day, which will be refunded the day of > the event. If you cancel one month or less from the date of the event it > is nonrefundable. Any questions regarding this letter please call me any > time leave a message if I am not in and I will return your call. > > Thank You. > > Shirley Silveira > > -------------- This cover letter looks like it could substitute for that contract thing I made up last year. All I really wanted (last year) was some kind of invoice or just something from the company in writing saying this is what money we'll need and what it was for. Could you bring a copy of the letter to the next meeting? I can give you the checks then and you can take it from there or I can send it in, whichever. Gary From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Apr 1 19:10:38 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar catered dinner menu choices have arrived. In-Reply-To: <3E8A4B73.56B2@aenet.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401131917.00b97950@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401190939.02489208@mail201.pair.com> At 4/1/2003, you wrote: >Could you bring a copy of the letter to the next meeting? When is the next board meeting? The board meetings are not listed in the calendar... which they should be if the board wants membership input. Mark From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Apr 1 19:12:54 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar catered dinner menu choices have arrived. In-Reply-To: <3E8A4B73.56B2@aenet.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401131917.00b97950@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401191134.02489208@mail201.pair.com> At 4/1/2003, you wrote: >This cover letter looks like it could substitute for that >contract thing I made up last year. All I really wanted >(last year) was some kind of invoice or just something from >the company in writing saying this is what money we'll need >and what it was for. > >Could you bring a copy of the letter to the next meeting? >I can give you the checks then and you can take it from >there or I can send it in, whichever. > >Gary Gary, I can make a copy and mail it to you, if that will do. Send my your mailing address privately. I would prefer the club send the checks directly. Mark From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Apr 1 19:27:10 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar catered dinner menu choices have arrived. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030401131917.00b97950@mail201.pair.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030401190939.02489208@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3E8A588E.3E12@aenet.net> Mark Wagner wrote: > > At 4/1/2003, you wrote: > > >Could you bring a copy of the letter to the next meeting? > > When is the next board meeting? Well, it doesn't *have* to be during the board meeting. :) > The board meetings are not listed in the > calendar... which they should be if the board wants membership input. That's a good point, the board meetings should be published in the newsletter. 6:30, just before each general meeting. Although, I don't think there will be one before the special April meeting, which will be on Sunday after the auction. Gary From jvn at svpal.org Tue Apr 8 13:22:43 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Proposed final Minutes for March meeting Message-ID: <3E932F93.1612@svpal.org> Hi, Boardies, Attached are the proposed final Minutes for the March 15 meeting of the Board of Directors. I'm sending two versions in two messages, one in .RTF format, other with plain text. Discard whichever you don't use. The words are identical, but the .RTF is prettified. (I now have a printer capable of Modern Printing.) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I now have a printer capable of Modern Printing.) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site -------------- next part -------------- SJAA Board meeting, March 15, 2003 at Houge Park, San Jose Present: Jim Van Nuland, Mike Koop, Dana Crom, Bill O'Shaughnessy, Steve Nelson, Dave Smith, Bob Havner, Gary Mitchell. Excused: Craig and Elena Scull. Guests: Rich Neuschaefer, SJAA; Jeffrey Kirkbride, Evergreen Valley College teacher; Richard Hall, EVC student. Called to order about 6:40. Treasury report: Checkbook balance $7908.43 as of March 15,2003 Savings / Gregory fund $397.20 as of December Observatory fund $2832.04 as of March 6 Insurance has been paid for another year. A new complication is some required paperwork "additional insured" that must be filed for any organization with which we do business. It likely affects the food concession at CalStar. It appears that it does not affect the school star parties. JVN: is there a lawyer in the club? International Dark-Sky Association dues are due. A vote to commit dues without requiring further votes was tied 3-3; the author withdrew the motion. Motion to pay the $100 dues for another year passed by acclimation. Secretary of State / Statement of Officers has been filed by JVN. It was due last August, but the SofS did not send out the form, which had always arrived in June. General agreement to reimburse JVN for the $20 / 2 years. [Later: JVN's check has been cashed.] Membership: 350 members on the list. Stable. Loaner program: There were about 6 transfers in the last month. Astronomy Class: Going well. Speakers have been set for the rest of the year. The list wasn't presented at the Board Meeting. Telescope / Mirror-making Class: Recent class had 3 laps poured, the class ran to midnight. About 15 regularly attending. But after 14 months, 0 mirrors have been finished. General Meeting speakers: The April speaker can't come on Saturday Apr.12, but can come on the 13th. Provisional agreement to have him speak at 7 pm on Sunday, following the Auction. [Later: JVN notified by Park Person that we can use the hall that evening, so it's a GO.] April Fulvio Melia, The Black Hole at the Middle of the Milky Way May Norm Sperling, What your Astronomy Book won't Tell You June - Aug TBA Sept Slide & Equipment night October TBA Nov Jane Houston Jones, Observing with (famed women astronomers) Dec TBA JVN had JHJ on the schedule for October. Her date is somewhat flexible, depending on who else is not flexible. Houge Public star parties have lots of customers coming. Lots of telescopes, too. School Star Parties: We're having another peak year. We've had 3 weeks with an event every night. In March we attempted 17 events! April has 9, and there may well be more. It's unlikely we'd have anything in May, but it has happened before -- 9 to 9:30 pm start time. EVERGREEN VALLEY COLLEGE OBSERVATORY -- Jeffery Kirkbride Piers -- JK had made an emergency request for funding to obtain Seriously Sturdy equatorial wedges. Later discussion agreed that the existing ones should be tried, and replaced if they are not adequate. Relationship with SJAA -- Looking at the PAS / Foothill College relationship as a model. They have a contract to run the observatory. The college does not schedule anything. [JVN: PAS has an open house every clear Friday evening, and a Sun Session every clear Saturday morning. I don't know what else they do for the college.] JK states that SJAA is welcome to participate, but it is acceptable to him if SJAA does not have a formal interest. The site is darker than most college observatories. The number of students in the Astronomy class has gone from 15 to 150! They will need some full-time staff to teach operation of the scopes and cameras. Should SJAA do limited-attendance star parties? Do 1-on-1 training for students? Should we have a Houge Park East? Lots of ideas were discussed, but no formal vote or agreement was reached on any specific activity. AGREED: SJAA wishes to collaborate. Financial contributions: There exists an SJAA resolution (1996 Feb.3) that restrains Observatory Fund money to an SJAA Observatory, and further, to paying for site and telescopes, but not auxiliary equipment. JVN and BO'S have raised the point that, if there is no formal contract with EVC, we may likely lose access when JK leaves. There was general agreement that some formal agreement is mandatory before we are allowed to make financial contributions. Adjourned at 7:55. Respectfully submitted, Jim Van Nuland, Secretary, SJAA.  From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Wed Apr 9 01:36:37 2003 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] EVC Fundraiser Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409013143.033bcbe0@koopm.best.vwh.net> Jane forwarded this message from EVC. I really feel we should support this in some way. Think about it, I'll post more later. Mike >Delivered-To: koopm@koopm.best.vwh.net >Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:30:34 -0700 >From: Jane Houston Jones >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.2) >Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 >X-Accept-Language: en-us >To: Michael Koop >Subject: [Fwd: RE: FW: We are having a fund raiser for our Observatory] >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-18.8 required=5.0 > tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, > QUOTE_TWICE_1,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA > autolearn=ham version=2.53 >X-Spam-Level: >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) > >Hi Mike I received a word doc from Evergreen College yesterday. I told >them I didn't send attachments and if they could just put int info in an >email I'd send it out. So should this go to the SJAA - and if so which >email list - chat or announce? Jane > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: RE: FW: We are having a fund raiser for our Observatory >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:13:29 -0700 >From: "Wong-Kauzlarich, Mary" >To: "Jane Houston Jones" > > > >Hi Jane, >Here is a in-line text version of the letter. >========================================================================= >March, 2003 >EVERGREEN VALLEY COLLEGE >3095 Yerba Buena Road >San Jose, California 95135-1598 Telephone: 408-274-7900 Fax: 408-238-3179 > > >Dear Friends, > >The Evergreen Valley College Observatory on historic Montgomery Hill is >scheduled for completion in June, 2003. Additional funds are needed to >reach this goal and to achieve full operation of the observatory. Once >the facility is up and running, we anticipate on-going funding needs to >maintain the telescopes, the dome, the sliding roof and the robotics, to >provide equipment for the expanding Evergreen Astronomy program and to >support partnerships with K-12 schools and other community groups. > >We are asking you to make a tax-deductible donation to the Evergreen >Observatory/Astronomy Fund. No donation is too small! However, if you >give $200 or more, your name will be engraved on a plaque in the >observatory. A family is interested in matching our donations up to a >total of $6000, so the effect of your gift will be doubled. > >If you would like to make a donation with a check, please make it payable >to Evergreen Observatory/Astronomy Fund. You may give the donation to Bob >Rivet in the EVC Business Office, or mail it to > >EVC Business Office >Attn Bob Rivet >3095 Yerba Buena Rd >San Jose, CA 95135 > >If you have any questions please contact: > >Georgiana Rudge EVC Observatory Development Team >(408) 274-7900 x 6594 > > > >========================================================================= >Thanks, > >Mary Wong-Kauzlarich >Evergreen Valley College >3095 Yerba Buena Road >San Jose, CA. 95135 >Office of Development >(408) 223-6784 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jane Houston Jones [mailto:jane@whiteoaks.com] >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:56 PM >To: Wong-Kauzlarich, Mary >Subject: Re: FW: We are having a fund raiser for our Observatory > > > Sorry, none of my mailings lists accept attachments. All the Yahoo > groups strip off any attachments, too. If you can send plain text in an > email, or provide the information on a website, I will be happy to > forward it to the astronomy clubs in Northern Califronia. Or perhaps you > would be better to just send your note tothe San Jose and the Halls > Valley clubs - the ones who would be able to participate in your > observatory. I live in Marin County. > >Jane Houston Jones >President, Astronomical Association of Northern California > > >Wong-Kauzlarich, Mary wrote: > >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Evergreen Valley College is having a fund raiser for our >> upcoming Observatory. The observatory is still targeted to >> complete June, 2003. >> >> Please forward this information on to anyone you think may be >> interested in helping us. >> >> <> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> /Mary Wong-Kauzlarich/ >> /Evergreen Valley College/ >> /3095 Yerba Buena Road/ >> /San Jose, CA. 95135/ >> /Office of Development/ >> /(408) 223-6784/ From jvn at svpal.org Thu Apr 10 00:46:16 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Registration for Jaegers refractor References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409013143.033bcbe0@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <3E952148.4822@svpal.org> Hi, Mike, You asked about my assigning a separate seller number for some donated items. It's a matter of whether we need to account for it separately. For instance, in the matter of the Criterion scope, we have already provided a formal thank-you and appraisal to Mrs. Hewett. So I've listed the scope under seller 999, who is SJAA. If we want to use the auction printout as part of the appraisal and/or thank-you, then the scope should be registered under the doner's name. Let me know. It's easy to change while the auction is not underway. If that $1 business is an issue, I can capture the printer text and change the total. Better yet, I'd rather drop the dumb $. I've never liked it. When someone is selling or bidding on behalf of someone else, then we would want to provide the separate control that is afforded by a separate number. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From billosh at shell.accesscom.com Thu Apr 10 08:18:52 2003 From: billosh at shell.accesscom.com (William O'Shaughnessy) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Can't attend this weekend Message-ID: <200304101518.h3AFIqbR031130@shell.accesscom.com> Hello all, I'm sorry that I can not make the SJAA activities this weekend. I will be helping my daughter move out of her dorm room to come home for the summer. There are a lot of big things to move and she can't do it herself. Clear Skys and hopes for a successful auction, Bill O'Shaughnessy From edanaila at yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 14:15:39 2003 From: edanaila at yahoo.com (Elena Danaila) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meetings schedule In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030409013143.033bcbe0@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <20030410211539.33721.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I know we're having a meeting this Saturday, and some full moon meetings are easier to fgure out than others, but perhaps there is a schedule that we could look at in advance to make sure we mark those times on our calendar and not schedule anything else by mistake. Also, since we missed the last meeting, is there anything we need to know aside from what transpired in the minutes that were sent out? For the rest, same time, same place? Is it 6:00 pm? Not sure I remember exactly. Thanks. --Elena Michael Koop wrote:Jane forwarded this message from EVC. I really feel we should support this in some way. Think about it, I'll post more later. Mike >Delivered-To: koopm@koopm.best.vwh.net >Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:30:34 -0700 >From: Jane Houston Jones >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.2) >Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 >X-Accept-Language: en-us >To: Michael Koop >Subject: [Fwd: RE: FW: We are having a fund raiser for our Observatory] >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-18.8 required=5.0 > tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, > QUOTE_TWICE_1,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA > autolearn=ham version=2.53 >X-Spam-Level: >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) > >Hi Mike I received a word doc from Evergreen College yesterday. I told >them I didn't send attachments and if they could just put int info in an >email I'd send it out. So should this go to the SJAA - and if so which >email list - chat or announce? Jane > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: RE: FW: We are having a fund raiser for our Observatory >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:13:29 -0700 >From: "Wong-Kauzlarich, Mary" >To: "Jane Houston Jones" > > > >Hi Jane, >Here is a in-line text version of the letter. >========================================================================= >March, 2003 >EVERGREEN VALLEY COLLEGE >3095 Yerba Buena Road >San Jose, California 95135-1598 Telephone: 408-274-7900 Fax: 408-238-3179 > > >Dear Friends, > >The Evergreen Valley College Observatory on historic Montgomery Hill is >scheduled for completion in June, 2003. Additional funds are needed to >reach this goal and to achieve full operation of the observatory. Once >the facility is up and running, we anticipate on-going funding needs to >maintain the telescopes, the dome, the sliding roof and the robotics, to >provide equipment for the expanding Evergreen Astronomy program and to >support partnerships with K-12 schools and other community groups. > >We are asking you to make a tax-deductible donation to the Evergreen >Observatory/Astronomy Fund. No donation is too small! However, if you >give $200 or more, your name will be engraved on a plaque in the >observatory. A family is interested in matching our donations up to a >total of $6000, so the effect of your gift will be doubled. > >If you would like to make a donation with a check, please make it payable >to Evergreen Observatory/Astronomy Fund. You may give the donation to Bob >Rivet in the EVC Business Office, or mail it to > >EVC Business Office >Attn Bob Rivet >3095 Yerba Buena Rd >San Jose, CA 95135 > >If you have any questions please contact: > >Georgiana Rudge EVC Observatory Development Team >(408) 274-7900 x 6594 > > > >========================================================================= >Thanks, > >Mary Wong-Kauzlarich >Evergreen Valley College >3095 Yerba Buena Road >San Jose, CA. 95135 >Office of Development >(408) 223-6784 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jane Houston Jones [mailto:jane@whiteoaks.com] >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:56 PM >To: Wong-Kauzlarich, Mary >Subject: Re: FW: We are having a fund raiser for our Observatory > > > Sorry, none of my mailings lists accept attachments. All the Yahoo > groups strip off any attachments, too. If you can send plain text in an > email, or provide the information on a website, I will be happy to > forward it to the astronomy clubs in Northern Califronia. Or perhaps you > would be better to just send your note tothe San Jose and the Halls > Valley clubs - the ones who would be able to participate in your > observatory. I live in Marin County. > >Jane Houston Jones >President, Astronomical Association of Northern California > > >Wong-Kauzlarich, Mary wrote: > >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Evergreen Valley College is having a fund raiser for our >> upcoming Observatory. The observatory is still targeted to >> complete June, 2003. >> >> Please forward this information on to anyone you think may be >> interested in helping us. >> >> <> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> /Mary Wong-Kauzlarich/ >> /Evergreen Valley College/ >> /3095 Yerba Buena Road/ >> /San Jose, CA. 95135/ >> /Office of Development/ >> /(408) 223-6784/ _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20030410/814e7130/attachment.html From jvn at svpal.org Thu Apr 10 15:21:47 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meetings schedule References: <20030410211539.33721.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E95EE7B.7DC6@svpal.org> Elena Danaila wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > I know we're having a meeting this Saturday, and some full moon > meetings are easier to figure out than others, but perhaps there is a > schedule that we could look at in advance There is a board meeting before each General Meeting. The Auction is an exception; we've historically skipped that board meeting. So it's 11 boards a year. Sunday evening's meeting is designated a "special meeting", because it is at an unusual date and time, and because it's a one-time happening. It will not have a board meeting preceding it. For the next few weeks, see the hotline page at . For the entire year, click the link at the top of that page, or go directly to for the complete calendar. Clear Skies (and calendars!) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Apr 11 01:46:36 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meetings schedule References: <20030410211539.33721.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> <3E95EE7B.7DC6@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E9680EC.651F@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Elena Danaila wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I know we're having a meeting this Saturday, and some full moon > > meetings are easier to figure out than others, but perhaps there is a > > schedule that we could look at in advance > > There is a board meeting before each General Meeting. The Auction is > an exception; we've historically skipped that board meeting. So it's 11 > boards a year. > > Sunday evening's meeting is designated a "special meeting", because it > is at an unusual date and time, and because it's a one-time happening. > It will not have a board meeting preceding it. > > For the next few weeks, see the hotline page at > . For the entire year, click the link > at the top of that page, or go directly to > for the complete calendar. > > Clear Skies (and calendars!) The board meetings *should* also be listed in the Ephemeris Gary From mgw at resource-intl.com Fri Apr 11 08:42:05 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:19 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meetings schedule In-Reply-To: <3E9680EC.651F@aenet.net> References: <20030410211539.33721.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> <3E95EE7B.7DC6@svpal.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411075634.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> At 4/11/2003, you wrote: >The board meetings *should* also be listed in the Ephemeris Gary, I've been saying this for years. Since the SJAA is a coproration, I would think each meeting of the board of directors would be announced to the "share holders" (members). I would actually like to see a recap of the meetings in the Ephemeris - what business was discussed - any decisions - and what is being carried over to the next meeting. It might encourage some actual member participation! The only place I found the board meetings referenced at all is on the SJAA web-page under the category "meetings" - http://www.sjaa.net/meetings.html under the category "General Meetings" where readers are told "The public is welcome and encouraged to attend." But there seems to be virtually no effort made to encourage attendance. Mark From edanaila at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 11:48:58 2003 From: edanaila at yahoo.com (Elena Danaila) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meetings schedule In-Reply-To: <3E9680EC.651F@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20030411184858.16912.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Great Gary! Thank you for your reply. -Elena Gary Mitchell wrote:Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Elena Danaila wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I know we're having a meeting this Saturday, and some full moon > > meetings are easier to figure out than others, but perhaps there is a > > schedule that we could look at in advance > > There is a board meeting before each General Meeting. The Auction is > an exception; we've historically skipped that board meeting. So it's 11 > boards a year. > > Sunday evening's meeting is designated a "special meeting", because it > is at an unusual date and time, and because it's a one-time happening. > It will not have a board meeting preceding it. > > For the next few weeks, see the hotline page at > . For the entire year, click the link > at the top of that page, or go directly to > for the complete calendar. > > Clear Skies (and calendars!) The board meetings *should* also be listed in the Ephemeris Gary _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20030411/124a2b72/attachment.html From jane at whiteoaks.com Fri Apr 11 16:32:45 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions Message-ID: <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> The dialogue on the board list about listing the board meetings in the Ephemeris (and calendar on the website) is great. Our suggestion (if this dialogue means you are requesting the editors to include this in the May Ephemeris) is to place a box somewhere - maybe on the front page - with the board meeting date and time and that it is open to all. We placed a box announcing the special April meeting on page one of the current volume. Another box indicates directions to Houge Park on page 2. That way it stands out. This could be in every newsletter if you want. Anyway let the editors know for sure if this is discussion item only or a request for the newsletter - by tomorrow Saturday the 12th. Also any other Ephemeris material should be in our hands by tomorrow too - hint hint. We have two SJAA messier marathon reports from Henry Coe to include already. We'll probably work on the newsletter this weekend. Jane and Mojo SJAA Ephemeris -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mgw at resource-intl.com Fri Apr 11 17:00:46 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411165143.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> At 4/11/2003, you wrote: >Our suggestion is to ... place a box (on the front page) with the board >meeting date and time and that it is open to all. That way it stands >out. This could be in every newsletter if you want. > >Anyway let the editors know for sure if this is discussion item only or a >request for the newsletter This club member is making that request. :-) IMHO, the board does not need to vote on this, the newsletter editors are "reporters" for the club, and have the latitude to include what they feel is pertinent to report to the membership. But it would be nice to see the board endorse the idea (or explain why they reject it). I'd also like to see a condensed version of the minutes - maybe leaving out the mundane recurring stuff (bank account, loaner program, school star party, etc) and put in any new and old business. Keep the members informed. Mark From jane at whiteoaks.com Fri Apr 11 17:46:23 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411165143.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3E9761DF.7060605@whiteoaks.com> I agree with Mark - I'd like to see some consensus. If we include the minutes / abbreviated minutes they must be to us by the 10th of the month on schedule every month. We usually post a reminder to the membership announcing the Ephemeris submission due date, but sometimes we are too busy or forget. To keep the newsletter to the current 8 page format, we might have to ask the regular columnists :-) to limit the length of their submissions - we'd have to try it and see. We have a problem not many newsletter editors have - lots of excellent material submitted by club members! One club I belong to posts the minutes on their website, and announces it to the club announce list. Some members (like me) are actually reading the minutes now! Jane Mark Wagner wrote: > At 4/11/2003, you wrote: > >> Our suggestion is to ... place a box (on the front page) with the >> board meeting date and time and that it is open to all. That way it >> stands out. This could be in every newsletter if you want. >> >> Anyway let the editors know for sure if this is discussion item only >> or a request for the newsletter > > > This club member is making that request. :-) > > IMHO, the board does not need to vote on this, the newsletter editors > are "reporters" for the club, and have the latitude to include what > they feel is pertinent to report to the membership. But it would be > nice to see the board endorse the idea (or explain why they reject it). > > I'd also like to see a condensed version of the minutes - maybe > leaving out the mundane recurring stuff (bank account, loaner program, > school star party, etc) and put in any new and old business. Keep the > members informed. > > Mark -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mgw at resource-intl.com Fri Apr 11 18:23:32 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <3E9761DF.7060605@whiteoaks.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411165143.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411182207.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> At 4/11/2003, you wrote: >To keep the newsletter to the current 8 page format, we might have to ask >the regular columnists :-) Okay by me. Just say how much to cut. I'd love to see the board stuff in the newsletter. Mark From danac at pacbell.net Fri Apr 11 18:53:42 2003 From: danac at pacbell.net (Dana Crom) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Board meetings schedule In-Reply-To: <3E9680EC.651F@aenet.net> from "Gary Mitchell" at Apr 11, 2003 01:46:36 AM Message-ID: <200304120153.SAA01241@pacbell.net> > The board meetings *should* also be listed in the Ephemeris > > Gary And the normal starting time is 6:30 PM, I believe. Dana From bill at nineplanets.org Fri Apr 11 21:35:14 2003 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <3E9761DF.7060605@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <27AC7A5B-6CA0-11D7-A245-0030655A4BEC@nineplanets.org> On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 05:46 PM, Jane Houston Jones wrote: > ...One club I belong to posts the minutes on their website, and > announces it to the club announce list... This has long been and remains my favored solution. Costs almost nothing, no time pressure, doesn't get in the way for those who don't care (ie almost everyone). -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From jvn at svpal.org Sat Apr 12 00:51:32 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris material -- two items References: <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <3E97C584.4741@svpal.org> Hi, Jane, Following Mike Koop's request, I've added specific times to the Houge Park star parties. These have been added to the 2003 list at . The rule is to start somewhat after sunset or at 7, whichever is later; and to run three hours or up to midnight, whichever is earlier. The intent is to provide the basis for the lights to be turned off and on (and Mike can go home). You'll see the additional line such as "Star party hours: 7 to 10 pm". That should be included in the calendar section. People may come earlier, and are not required to go home at "quitting" time, but should know when to expect the lights to be off and on. Regarding the Board meetings, I don't think it's necessary to put in a box giving the board meeting place and time, as they are ongoing and of only modest interest. OTOH, for the April special meeting, such a box was definitely needed! It is a sharp break from the usual time and day. An article on the speaker's topic is always a useful feature, to encourage people to attend (or not!). For Board meetings, it seems sufficient to add a note at the bottom of the present calendar column, reading "The Board of Directors meets at 6:30 preceding each general meeting. All are welcome.". Though it is not publicized anywhere, I'd wager all meeting-attending members are aware of it, as we are frequently still in session as they arrive for the general meeting. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jvn at svpal.org Sat Apr 12 00:56:33 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411165143.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> <3E9761DF.7060605@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <3E97C6B1.DD5@svpal.org> Jane Houston Jones wrote: [snip] > To keep the newsletter to the > current 8 page format, we might have to ask the regular columnists :-) > to limit the length of their submissions NO NO NO NO NO. Displacing good interesting material for Bored Minutes is a lousy tradeoff. > One club I belong to posts the minutes on their website, and announces > it to the club announce list. Some members (like me) are actually > reading the minutes now! Jane I thought you were busy. Surely the Marin library has books? I know of a ex-club that used to READ the damn things aloud at the beginning of each meeting! Part of the reason that all the members drifted away, I'll bet. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From RNAPO at znet.com Sat Apr 12 01:47:59 2003 From: RNAPO at znet.com (Rich N.) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions Message-ID: <001901c300d0$3abbf560$9652a7cf@pavilion> If I can jump in here for a minute. If you take out all the regular club business there likely aren't many items left. If those remaining items were put in "bullet" form with a very brief description and briefly what action was taken on the item, there shouldn't be much room taken up in the Ephemeris. Rich >I agree with Mark - I'd like to see some consensus. > >If we include the minutes / abbreviated minutes they must be to us by >the 10th of the month on schedule every month. We usually post a >reminder to the membership announcing the Ephemeris submission due date, >but sometimes we are too busy or forget. To keep the newsletter to the >current 8 page format, we might have to ask the regular columnists :-) >to limit the length of their submissions - we'd have to try it and see. > We have a problem not many newsletter editors have - lots of excellent >material submitted by club members! > >One club I belong to posts the minutes on their website, and announces >it to the club announce list. Some members (like me) are actually >reading the minutes now! Jane > >Mark Wagner wrote: > >> At 4/11/2003, you wrote: >> >>> Our suggestion is to ... place a box (on the front page) with the >>> board meeting date and time and that it is open to all. That way it >>> stands out. This could be in every newsletter if you want. >>> >>> Anyway let the editors know for sure if this is discussion item only >>> or a request for the newsletter >> >> >> This club member is making that request. :-) >> >> IMHO, the board does not need to vote on this, the newsletter editors >> are "reporters" for the club, and have the latitude to include what >> they feel is pertinent to report to the membership. But it would be >> nice to see the board endorse the idea (or explain why they reject it). >> >> I'd also like to see a condensed version of the minutes - maybe >> leaving out the mundane recurring stuff (bank account, loaner program, >> school star party, etc) and put in any new and old business. Keep the >> members informed. >> >> Mark > > >-- >Jane Houston Jones >San Rafael, CA >jane@whiteoaks.com >http://www.whiteoaks.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From mgw at resource-intl.com Sat Apr 12 09:23:59 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> Jim Van Nuland said... >NO NO NO NO NO. Displacing good interesting material for Bored Minutes is >a lousy tradeoff. Hmmm... I like taking a telescope to remote hilltops and spending the night looking for (and hopefully at) stuff that is nearly impossible to see - a lot of people would call that boring. Isn't what is considered boring a highly subjective matter? And, isn't there the possibility that a concise synopsis of non-recurring agenda items and their disposition being seen by the membership might result in some member involvement? Perhaps it would result in a good suggestion here or there - maybe generate some interest in a member here or there of becoming a board member - maybe (gosh... think of this) more candidates than seats! Bill Arnett added... >This (putting it on a web-page) has long been and remains my favored >solution. Costs almost nothing, no time pressure, doesn't get in the way >for those who don't care (ie almost everyone). The web is certainly appropriate. What about the argument that is used about voting for board members via the web - that not everyone has access? Literally everyone gets the newsletter. And why would it get "in the way" ... nobody is required to read it - I *never* read page 8 of the Ephemeris! If 90% of the membership is unaware of the board meetings and what is discussed - isn't it an assumption that they "don't care"? Jane Houston Jones said... >To keep the newsletter to the current 8 page format This ties in with Jim and Bill's remark about cost...so what is wrong with a 10 page newsletter? Dave North's posting (3/20) about membership said... >Huge month. Up to 336 today ...We're starting to get back to where we were >a few years back, and may well pass that point and keep going! and I think the club is doing reasonably well money-wise and could probably afford it. If there is *any* concern, I don't think (nor am I recommending at this time) a $1 increase in membership dues to cover something like enhancing the Ephemeris would be a bad use of funds. I don't think the club has increased dues since I've been a member - that's about... 10 years? When it is so easy to let the membership know what the club is considering and deciding, I don't see any downside. The board is made of intelligent and considerate people - and they're good looking too! Why not show the membership? I won't post further about this... I've taken up enough archive space already. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20030412/d2fbca6a/attachment.html From RNAPO at znet.com Sat Apr 12 09:54:22 2003 From: RNAPO at znet.com (Rich N.) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions Message-ID: <001c01c30114$2bc1ca00$8c52a7cf@pavilion> Sorry, I don't like the idea of increasing the cost of a membership unless it is really necessary. I don't see a good reason for going to a larger newsletter. To me, a good reason for increasing the cost of a membership would be if we had to pay more for a meeting hall or had to pay more for insurance. I think a quarter or at most half a column of page space would be all that is for the Board highlights. If the Board highlights required a larger newsletter and an increase in expense, I would be for moving the Board highlights to the SJAA web page and save having to pay more for a larger paper newsletter. Rich > >Jim Van Nuland said... > >>NO NO NO NO NO. Displacing good interesting material for Bored Minutes is >>a lousy tradeoff. > >Hmmm... I like taking a telescope to remote hilltops and spending the night >looking for (and hopefully at) stuff that is nearly impossible to see - a >lot of people would call that boring. Isn't what is considered boring a >highly subjective matter? And, isn't there the possibility that a concise >synopsis of non-recurring agenda items and their disposition being seen by >the membership might result in some member involvement? Perhaps it would >result in a good suggestion here or there - maybe generate some interest in >a member here or there of becoming a board member - maybe (gosh... think of >this) more candidates than seats! > >Bill Arnett added... > >>This (putting it on a web-page) has long been and remains my favored >>solution. Costs almost nothing, no time pressure, doesn't get in the way >>for those who don't care (ie almost everyone). > >The web is certainly appropriate. What about the argument that is used >about voting for board members via the web - that not everyone has >access? Literally everyone gets the newsletter. And why would it get "in >the way" ... nobody is required to read it - I *never* read page 8 of the >Ephemeris! > >If 90% of the membership is unaware of the board meetings and what is >discussed - isn't it an assumption that they "don't care"? > >Jane Houston Jones said... > >>To keep the newsletter to the current 8 page format > >This ties in with Jim and Bill's remark about cost...so what is wrong with >a 10 page newsletter? > >Dave North's posting (3/20) about membership said... > >>Huge month. Up to 336 today ...We're starting to get back to where we were >>a few years back, and may well pass that point and keep going! > >and I think the club is doing reasonably well money-wise and could probably >afford it. If there is *any* concern, I don't think (nor am I recommending >at this time) a $1 increase in membership dues to cover something like >enhancing the Ephemeris would be a bad use of funds. I don't think the >club has increased dues since I've been a member - that's about... 10 years? > >When it is so easy to let the membership know what the club is considering >and deciding, I don't see any downside. The board is made of intelligent >and considerate people - and they're good looking too! Why not show the >membership? > >I won't post further about this... I've taken up enough archive space already. > >Mark From akkana at shallowsky.com Sat Apr 12 10:08:25 2003 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris material -- two items In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> <3E97C584.4741@svpal.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> <3E97C584.4741@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20030412170825.GA29006@shallowsky.com> Jim Van Nuland writes: > For Board meetings, it seems sufficient to add a note at the bottom of > the present calendar column, reading "The Board of Directors meets at > 6:30 preceding each general meeting. All are welcome.". The end of the present calendar column would be a nonobvious place to find it -- "I wonder how I can find out when April's board meeting is? I know, I'll look at the end of the May entries!" It's much easier to find if it's mentioned right next to the regular meeting, since they happen on the same night. Doesn't matter so much whether it's in the calendar column or in a special box somewhere obvious (or both!) > Though it is not publicized anywhere, I'd wager all meeting-attending > members are aware of it, as we are frequently still in session as they > arrive for the general meeting. I usually still see people arriving long after the board meeting has broken up -- indeed, after the speaker has started. As to making the minutes available: I was going to make a comment that the club looked secretive, not announcing its board meetings nor posting minutes; but then I noticed that this list and its archives are available on the SJAA site, so actually it's all out there for members to see. That's good! Much better than a lot of clubs do. A member who really wanted the minutes could usually find them in the SJAAboard archives. But it wouldn't hurt to make them a bit easier to find, either on the web or in the Ephemeris. Whoops! I wrote that before actually trying to find the last minutes. What I found first was this: http://www.whiteoaks.com/pipermail/sjaaboard/2003-March/001665.html "A non-text attachment was scrubbed..." and there's a link to the RTF which I could theoretically download if I wanted to go hunt for an RTF reader. The archives make a great argument for sending the minutes as plaintext rather than RTF. Jim's second posting of the final minutes works fine: http://www.whiteoaks.com/pipermail/sjaaboard/2003-April/001673.html ...Akkana From north at znet.com Sat Apr 12 10:13:23 2003 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <001c01c30114$2bc1ca00$8c52a7cf@pavilion> Message-ID: <11268420-6D0A-11D7-BF5D-000393836B64@znet.com> Mark: >> I think the club is doing reasonably well money-wise and could >> probably >> afford it. There would be no overwhelming financial burden to printing a larger ephemeris, and the club could easily afford it. However, it's a lot of work for the editors already (trust me, I know) and that's a pain. But I agree with Rich that it probably wouldn't take up much space if someone wanted to present a "good parts" infoblurb on what happened at board meetings. Biggest problem, of course, is getting someone to write it up. Plus I think Mark is right in that the Ephemeris is the official communications organ of the club, and it would at least be a Good Thing (if not in some way a legal requirement) to at least list un-ordinary financial decisions so the membership can see where their money isn't going. Listing out the 'usual crap' is hardly useful. An annual budget review is a good thing, as are listing current finances each month. Again, somebody has to do that but I think Gary already has those numbers "at hand." d From mojo at whiteoaks.com Sat Apr 12 10:15:59 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <001901c300d0$3abbf560$9652a7cf@pavilion> Message-ID: I'd be delighted to print "Highlights of Board meetings" if someone would submit such a thing. Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Sat Apr 12 10:22:25 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Mark Wagner wrote: > ...so what is wrong with a 10 page newsletter? There's not a problem with printing 10-page newsletters, it's just that in reviewing the issues we've done, the 8-page issues are better than the 10-pagers. :) So I'm always inclined to cut to fit rather than pad to fill. Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From RNAPO at znet.com Sat Apr 12 11:31:09 2003 From: RNAPO at znet.com (Rich N.) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions Message-ID: <000601c30121$b0ffab80$8352a7cf@pavilion> Maybe just a note in the Ephemeris about where Board notes can be found on the SJAA website would be helpful. Rich From mgw at resource-intl.com Sat Apr 12 11:57:31 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <000601c30121$b0ffab80$8352a7cf@pavilion> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412115206.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> At 4/12/2003, you wrote: >Maybe just a note in the Ephemeris about where Board notes >can be found on the SJAA website would be helpful. (sorry.. I really was going to refrain from posting)... Except for one thing: As Dave North said: >the Ephemeris is the official communications organ of the club However, I also suggest a more direct link be made to the current board mailing list archives, so it is not so difficult to find the minutes, maybe something list http://www.sjaa.net/boardminutes.html I will volunteer to do a synopsis of the minutes for the Ephemeris, unless someone else steps forward to do it, in which case I would glady step aside. Mark From danac at pacbell.net Sat Apr 12 10:57:50 2003 From: danac at pacbell.net (Dana Crom) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions In-Reply-To: <001c01c30114$2bc1ca00$8c52a7cf@pavilion> from "Rich N." at Apr 12, 2003 09:54:22 AM Message-ID: <200304121757.KAA01077@pacbell.net> > Sorry, I don't like the idea of increasing the cost of a membership > unless it is really necessary. I don't see a good reason for going to > a larger newsletter. To me, a good reason for increasing the cost of a > membership would be if we had to pay more for a meeting hall or had > to pay more for insurance. > > I think a quarter or at most half a column of page space would be all that > is for the Board highlights. > > If the Board highlights required a larger newsletter and an increase in > expense, I would be for moving the Board highlights to the SJAA web > page and save having to pay more for a larger paper newsletter. > > Rich I'd go along with this. But I'd suggests highlights (and only highlights - just the topic and decision, 1-2 lines at most) in the newsletter with the full minutes available online for those who are interested. Low cost, but providing all the relevant information for those that need it. As far as "not everyone's online" goes, it's more than is available now, and if they're *really* that interested they can either use a library computer (available free in any SJ Library branch) or start attending meetings. Let's face it - most of the decisions the board handles, however necessary, are "housekeeping" - it has to be done, but as long as we do it nobody really notices. I'd guess that only the reasonably high-profile items like the Messier Marathon, the auction, or CalStar would interest most members enough to go for the full minutes. (Heck - I hadn't thought about the behind-the-scenes work done to get speakers until I joined the board. Or realized how many other "little" things are being done to keep things running smoothly.) Dana From jvn at svpal.org Sat Apr 12 13:39:17 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris material -- two items (first) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> <20030412170825.GA29006@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <3E987975.491B@svpal.org> Akkana Peck wrote: > > Jim Van Nuland writes: > > For Board meetings, it seems sufficient to add a note at the bottom of > > the present calendar column, reading "The Board of Directors meets at > > 6:30 preceding each general meeting. All are welcome.". > The end of the present calendar column would be a non-obvious place > to find it -- [snip] It's much easier > to find if it's mentioned right next to the regular meeting, since they > happen on the same night. Akkana, you are right. Jane, please revise my suggestion, and put the note along with the general meeting item, before or after, whichever seems smoothest. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jane at whiteoaks.com Sat Apr 12 13:51:05 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris material -- two items (first) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> <20030412170825.GA29006@shallowsky.com> <3E987975.491B@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E987C39.3080805@whiteoaks.com> Sounds good to me. Jane Jim Van Nuland wrote: >Akkana, you are right. Jane, please revise my suggestion, and put the >note along with the general meeting item, before or after, whichever >seems smoothest. > > > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From wb6yru at aenet.net Sat Apr 12 23:41:47 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions References: <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <3E9906AB.43E@aenet.net> Jane Houston Jones wrote: > > The dialogue on the board list about listing the board meetings in the > Ephemeris (and calendar on the website) is great. Our suggestion (if > this dialogue means you are requesting the editors to include this in > the May Ephemeris) is to place a box somewhere - maybe on the front page > - with the board meeting date and time and that it is open to all. Isn't that overkill? Going from not mentioning the board meetings at all to a special "boxed" notice? It only needs to be included in the calendar, or even just a note in the masthead would be adequate (since it's aways 1.5 hours before general meetings). If you need a specific request... I hearby request that from now on the board meetings' times and dates be listed in the Ephemeris calendar, the same as general meetings. Jim's name is on the Ephemeris calendar now, does that mean this all is up to Jim? As far as including excerpts of the minutes, that's a good idea too, space permitting. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Apr 13 00:10:06 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030412082930.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <3E990D4E.66A8@aenet.net> Mark Wagner wrote: > Jane Houston Jones said... > > To keep the newsletter to the current 8 page format > > This ties in with Jim and Bill's remark about cost...so what is wrong > with a 10 page newsletter? Agreed. And it doens't have to be ten pages every time, just when needed. > Dave North's posting (3/20) about membership said... > > Huge month. Up to 336 today ...We're starting to get back to > where we were a few years back, and may well pass that point > and keep going! > > and I think the club is doing reasonably well money-wise and could > probably afford it. If there is *any* concern, I don't think (nor am > I recommending at this time) a $1 increase in membership dues to cover > something like enhancing the Ephemeris would be a bad use of funds. I > don't think the club has increased dues since I've been a member - > that's about... 10 years? We don't have to do that. Currently the dues is more than enough to cover the newsletter and the club insurance. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Apr 13 00:24:24 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris material -- two items References: <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> <3E97C584.4741@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E9910A8.69D5@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > For Board meetings, it seems sufficient to add a note at the bottom of > the present calendar column, reading "The Board of Directors meets at > 6:30 preceding each general meeting. All are welcome.". > > Though it is not publicized anywhere, I'd wager all meeting-attending > members are aware of it, as we are frequently still in session as they > arrive for the general meeting. When I first became a board member, I had no clue when to show up for the board meetings. I looked over the newsletter but there was nothing about it there. Now I see the new board members going through the same thing. This should never happen! In fact, I'm surprised we're even debating it. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Apr 13 00:15:54 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030411165143.02a74610@mail201.pair.com> <3E9761DF.7060605@whiteoaks.com> <3E97C6B1.DD5@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E990EAA.2819@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > > Jane Houston Jones wrote: > > [snip] > > To keep the newsletter to the > > current 8 page format, we might have to ask the regular columnists :-) > > to limit the length of their submissions > > NO NO NO NO NO. Displacing good interesting material for Bored > Minutes is a lousy tradeoff. Well, if push came to shove, I agree the minutes should take second seat to astro. articles. But we really don't have to make that choice. Now, I'm not saying the minutes should be verbose, but if we have so much material that the newletter needs to get bigger--that seems like a good thing to me. > I know of a ex-club that used to READ the damn things aloud at the > beginning of each meeting! Part of the reason that all the members > drifted away, I'll bet. I don't think so. Typically, minutes of the previous meeting are read aloud, approved, then the new meeting picks up from there. OK, yeah, maybe that's kinda formal, but that's the "typical" meeting. Instead of reading them aloud, they could be posted ahead of time in writing (newsletter). But we don't even go that far... maybe we should. This merely adds a little formality and structure to a meeting. What chases people away isn't that, but a lack of other interesting things, like good presentations. So far, thankfully, we don't have a big problem there. :) Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Apr 13 00:48:11 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris suggestions References: <11268420-6D0A-11D7-BF5D-000393836B64@znet.com> Message-ID: <3E99163B.5F66@aenet.net> Dave North wrote: > > Mark: > > >> I think the club is doing reasonably well money-wise and could > >> probably > >> afford it. > > There would be no overwhelming financial burden to printing a larger > ephemeris, and the club could easily afford it. However, it's a lot of > work for the editors already (trust me, I know) and that's a pain. > But I agree with Rich that it probably wouldn't take up much space if > someone wanted to present a "good parts" infoblurb on what happened at > board meetings. Biggest problem, of course, is getting someone to write > it up. I've been the editor in other clubs. Yes, it's a *lot* of work. But let me tell you something: having so much stuff that you need to pick and choose (as editor) is *far* better than the alternative, a club that doesn't participate in its own newsletter. > An annual budget review > is a good thing, as are listing current finances each month. Again, > somebody has to do that but I think Gary already has those numbers "at > hand." Now that I've got Quicken up and running, I can display or print out reports--including pie charts. :) If we had a laptop, this all would be available on demand at meetings with just a couple of mouse clicks. hint hint. ;) Record keeping was not well organized before now. I've got data loaded in only going back to January 2003. I could continue digging further back and loading it in, if the board wants, but as time goes by the digital record will get better just by acclimation. The main thing is to be vigilant about entering payments and expenses as they come up. Gary From jane at whiteoaks.com Sun Apr 13 14:32:52 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: Ephemeris material -- two items References: <3E97509D.20309@whiteoaks.com> <3E97C584.4741@svpal.org> Message-ID: <3E99D784.4050609@whiteoaks.com> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > An article on the speaker's topic is always a useful feature, to >encourage people to attend (or not!). > If we have info provided for the speaker by newsletter deadline, we are happy to include it, even write it sometimes. For June, there is no speaker listed on the website calendar (subject TBA) and in Bob's most recent speaker list email (dated March 14) the June speaker is still "to be confirmed". I am leaving it that way for now in the newsletter activities calendar, but will change it if we hear anything before it goes to the printer. Here is who is listed in the latest speaker email. Scott Sandford Stardust Mission (to be confirmed) -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mojo at whiteoaks.com Mon Apr 14 22:35:46 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] May Ephemeris available overnight for proofing Message-ID: The Ephemeris is here: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0305/EphMay03.pdf If you have any _really important_ last minute fixes, let me know. I may not be able to get any changes into the issue before delivering it to Accuprint in the morning. Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From d at vidnorth.com Tue Apr 15 13:09:00 2003 From: d at vidnorth.com (David North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership Message-ID: <18C8EF26-6F7E-11D7-94D1-000393836B64@vidnorth.com> Lots of signons, lots of expires. Net result, down two for the month to 334. I'm kind of surprised since signups seemed brisk, but then again so were expires. I figure a couple of those will sign up again when they notice the ephemeris didn't come (it usually happens) so figure it as a wash. Dave From bhavner at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 20:01:02 2003 From: bhavner at earthlink.net (Bob Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Confirm June Speaker Message-ID: <004c01c30556$c003b2a0$aad6fc9e@default> Hi All, I have confirmed Scott Sandford for speaking at the June 14th meeting. He will be speaking about the Stardust Mission which will rendezvous with a comet in 2004 and return samples to Earth in 2006. You can also catch a preview of this talk at Foothill College Smithwick Theater this Wednesday, April 23rd at 7:00. Bob Havner San Jose Astronomical Association bhavner@earthlink.net From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Apr 18 02:07:04 2003 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction results Message-ID: <3E9FC038.5CF8@aenet.net> We did pretty well at this year's auction & swap. Despite some accounting snags, I've now got the totals, (all figures are net): $1849.01 auction (includes bidder fees and sales of donations) 95.50 swap commission (includes sales of donations) 6.22 soda sales -------- $1950.73 total Gary From jane at whiteoaks.com Fri Apr 18 09:21:18 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction results References: <3E9FC038.5CF8@aenet.net> Message-ID: <3EA025FE.4020703@whiteoaks.com> We'll put pictures and auction results in the June Ephemeris. Jane Gary Mitchell wrote: >We did pretty well at this year's auction & swap. Despite some >accounting snags, I've now got the totals, (all figures are net): > >$1849.01 auction (includes bidder fees and sales of donations) > 95.50 swap commission (includes sales of donations) > 6.22 soda sales >-------- >$1950.73 total > >Gary > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mgw at resource-intl.com Tue Apr 29 16:17:43 2003 From: mgw at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429161234.031453c8@mail201.pair.com> I think my May Ephemeris arrived today. It has the article I wrote for May - "Between The Serpents" - is in it, so I'm pretty sure it is May's issue. But the bottom of the first page says April 2003. So, I checked online, and the HTML and PDF versions are April for the most current Ephemeris. But it is not the same newsletter as what arrived as "April" today. The one online says April, too. Something is wrong. I think the May issue is not online yet, first time I've seen it in print before being publicly viewable on the SJAA web-page. And, I think the date is wrong on the printed version. Mark From mojo at whiteoaks.com Tue Apr 29 16:08:38 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429161234.031453c8@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: Yep, I neglected to change the date in the footer of the May issue, and missed it in proofreading. I build each issue by starting with the previous one and deleting the articles, hence the mistake. Mea culpa ... Mojo On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Wagner wrote: > > I think my May Ephemeris arrived today. It has the article I wrote for May > - "Between The Serpents" - is in it, so I'm pretty sure it is May's issue. > > But the bottom of the first page says April 2003. > > So, I checked online, and the HTML and PDF versions are April for the most > current Ephemeris. But it is not the same newsletter as what arrived as > "April" today. The one online says April, too. Something is wrong. > > I think the May issue is not online yet, first time I've seen it in print > before being publicly viewable on the SJAA web-page. And, I think the date > is wrong on the printed version. > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From mgwagner at resource-intl.com Tue Apr 29 16:27:06 2003 From: mgwagner at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429161234.031453c8@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429162602.03143df8@mail201.pair.com> I was puzzled. for a bit, but no big deal... it would be good to get the May issue linked on the web-page. At 4/29/2003, you wrote: >Yep, I neglected to change the date in the footer of the May issue, and >missed it in proofreading. > >I build each issue by starting with the previous one and deleting the >articles, hence the mistake. > >Mea culpa ... > >Mojo > >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > > > I think my May Ephemeris arrived today. It has the article I wrote for > May > > - "Between The Serpents" - is in it, so I'm pretty sure it is May's issue. > > > > But the bottom of the first page says April 2003. > > > > So, I checked online, and the HTML and PDF versions are April for the most > > current Ephemeris. But it is not the same newsletter as what arrived as > > "April" today. The one online says April, too. Something is wrong. > > > > I think the May issue is not online yet, first time I've seen it in print > > before being publicly viewable on the SJAA web-page. And, I think the > date > > is wrong on the printed version. > > > > Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SJAABoard mailing list > > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > > >-- >Morris Jones <*> >San Rafael, CA >mojo@whiteoaks.com >http://www.whiteoaks.com > >_______________________________________________ >SJAABoard mailing list >SJAABoard@sjaa.net >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From mojo at whiteoaks.com Wed Apr 30 11:43:12 2003 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429162602.03143df8@mail201.pair.com> Message-ID: I'll be doing that tonight. I try to schedule it for the last day of the month, but sometimes it slips a day or two. Mojo On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Wagner wrote: > > I was puzzled. for a bit, but no big deal... it would be good to get the > May issue linked on the web-page. > > At 4/29/2003, you wrote: > >Yep, I neglected to change the date in the footer of the May issue, and > >missed it in proofreading. > > > >I build each issue by starting with the previous one and deleting the > >articles, hence the mistake. > > > >Mea culpa ... > > > >Mojo > > > >On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > > > > > > I think my May Ephemeris arrived today. It has the article I wrote for > > May > > > - "Between The Serpents" - is in it, so I'm pretty sure it is May's issue. > > > > > > But the bottom of the first page says April 2003. > > > > > > So, I checked online, and the HTML and PDF versions are April for the most > > > current Ephemeris. But it is not the same newsletter as what arrived as > > > "April" today. The one online says April, too. Something is wrong. > > > > > > I think the May issue is not online yet, first time I've seen it in print > > > before being publicly viewable on the SJAA web-page. And, I think the > > date > > > is wrong on the printed version. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SJAABoard mailing list > > > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > > > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > > > > > >-- > >Morris Jones <*> > >San Rafael, CA > >mojo@whiteoaks.com > >http://www.whiteoaks.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SJAABoard mailing list > >SJAABoard@sjaa.net > >http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jane at whiteoaks.com Wed Apr 30 11:52:06 2003 From: jane at whiteoaks.com (Jane Houston Jones) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? References: Message-ID: <3EB01B56.7010103@whiteoaks.com> One reason we send the Ephemeris out to the list the night before it goes to the printer is to add some extra eyes to the edit process. Our old eyes just don't catch everything. I guess none of you saw it either. Jane >>>I build each issue by starting with the previous one and deleting the >>>articles, hence the mistake. >>> -- Jane Houston Jones San Rafael, CA jane@whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From north at znet.com Wed Apr 30 12:26:56 2003 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? In-Reply-To: <3EB01B56.7010103@whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: Jane: > One reason we send the Ephemeris out to the list the night before it > goes to the printer is to add some extra eyes to the edit process. Our > old eyes just don't catch everything. I'm pretty sure I did the same thing once or twice. The club survived, and surprisingly few people noticed... d From jvn at svpal.org Wed Apr 30 23:36:30 2003 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:20 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Ephemeris confusion? References: Message-ID: <3EB0C06E.5731@svpal.org> Dave North wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I did the same thing once or twice. The club survived, > and surprisingly few people noticed... The Really Big Blunder was done by an earlier editor in 1990. He began the numbering, starting with 1. Since the newsletter was first published in 1955, he should have started with volume 36. This year's would be vol.49. (If I've counted correctly.) I mentioned it to him a few times, but it didn't get fixed. Clear Skies (and numbers!) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site