From north at znet.com Wed Dec 1 17:00:17 2004 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:25 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership List Message-ID: <883194F9-43FD-11D9-9A4A-000393836B64@znet.com> After ten years or so (anyone remember how long? Bet Bob Ellsberry does ...) I'm pretty tired of taking care of the member list. Rob Hawley has volunteered to take that over. I'll still be picking up the Ephemeris and cutting the mailing labels (plus taking it all to Lew) so that won't be changing. Just the maintenance of the list. As there are no funds involved, I don't think there's any board action required. However, if anyone has any objections or issues, now's the time to raise them. If nothing, I'll probably do the handoff Monday (it involves some details like transferring the mailbox key, transferring the final files, getting a Sky&Tel list to Gary and all that such stuff). Rob has already built a database to handle the list, tried a few trial runs at transferring (sucessful) and otherwise prepared himself admirably for the takeover. So there should be no snags or horrid bugs. I'm sure it will go smoothly. Dave North From rnapo at znet.com Wed Dec 1 18:00:20 2004 From: rnapo at znet.com (rnapo) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:25 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership List References: <883194F9-43FD-11D9-9A4A-000393836B64@znet.com> Message-ID: <000401c4d812$b1673b00$24f61345@RNDell1> Hi Dave, Thanks for the great job you've been doing with the Membership List! Rich > After ten years or so (anyone remember how long? Bet Bob Ellsberry does > ...) I'm pretty tired of taking care of the member list. > Rob Hawley has volunteered to take that over. I'll still be picking up > the Ephemeris and cutting the mailing labels (plus taking it all to > Lew) so that won't be changing. Just the maintenance of the list. > As there are no funds involved, I don't think there's any board action > required. However, if anyone has any objections or issues, now's the > time to raise them. > If nothing, I'll probably do the handoff Monday (it involves some > details like transferring the mailbox key, transferring the final > files, getting a Sky&Tel list to Gary and all that such stuff). > Rob has already built a database to handle the list, tried a few trial > runs at transferring (sucessful) and otherwise prepared himself > admirably for the takeover. So there should be no snags or horrid bugs. > I'm sure it will go smoothly. > > > Dave North > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From d_crom at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 20:53:54 2004 From: d_crom at yahoo.com (Dana Crom) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:25 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership List In-Reply-To: <883194F9-43FD-11D9-9A4A-000393836B64@znet.com> Message-ID: <20041202045354.44793.qmail@web51710.mail.yahoo.com> Dave, If nothing else we owe you a vote of thanks for taking on a repetitive, often unnoticed, and largely unappreciated job. I know that before I joined the board I really didn't stop to think about all the steps involved in getting the Ephemeris out. But every month, the Ephemeris arrived - and if I spared any thought to the process, it mostly involved the authors of the articles, not the physical steps involved (and I *should* know better - I used to be involved in getting out my daughters' Y youth group newsletter out. A similar sized effort, but we rotated the job so that no one had to do it more than once or twice a year). Well done, and thanks! Dana Crom --- Dave North wrote: > After ten years or so (anyone remember how long? Bet > Bob Ellsberry does > ...) I'm pretty tired of taking care of the member > list. > Rob Hawley has volunteered to take that over. I'll > still be picking up > the Ephemeris and cutting the mailing labels (plus > taking it all to > Lew) so that won't be changing. Just the maintenance > of the list. > As there are no funds involved, I don't think > there's any board action > required. However, if anyone has any objections or > issues, now's the > time to raise them. > If nothing, I'll probably do the handoff Monday (it > involves some > details like transferring the mailbox key, > transferring the final > files, getting a Sky&Tel list to Gary and all that > such stuff). > Rob has already built a database to handle the > list, tried a few trial > runs at transferring (sucessful) and otherwise > prepared himself > admirably for the takeover. So there should be no > snags or horrid bugs. > I'm sure it will go smoothly. > > > Dave North > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > ===== ================================== Dana Crom - San Jose, California d_crom@yahoo.com (personal email) Dana.Crom@zoran.com (work email) ================================== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bhavner at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 3 18:23:56 2004 From: bhavner at sbcglobal.net (Bob & Brenda Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:25 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Speakers Message-ID: <003501c4d9a8$4e7db1d0$60d9fea9@Turtlerock> I have a confirmation from Dale Cruikshank to speak at the Jan 22 meeting. His topic will be the Cassini-Huygens mission to Saturn. I also have tentatively scheduled Scott Sanford to speak at the Feb 26 meeting. Not yet confirmed. He will be giving a mission update to his Stardust talk from last year. These may be the last two I will be able to line up. If I hear of anyone I will pass it on. Bob From bhavner at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 3 18:25:38 2004 From: bhavner at sbcglobal.net (Bob & Brenda Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Fw: Pictures of Dr Gregory Message-ID: <004401c4d9a8$8b9f69f0$60d9fea9@Turtlerock> Some pics Don sent to me thought you would be interested. More to follow. ----- Original Message ----- From: DonM353259@aol.com To: bhavner@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Pictures of Dr Gregory Greetings; Attached are some pictures of Dr Gregory, scanned from the actual pictures. I don't know who took the pics. The event was the presentation of the Tuthill Award for my first comet discovery. One of these pictures appeared in Sky and Telescope magazine. Later I will send you a picture of Loma Prieta, showing where I set up my telescope for the years 1976-1990. Take care. Don Machholz -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Comet Award1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 50567 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20041203/a480c204/CometAward1.jpg From d at vidnorth.com Mon Dec 6 17:08:34 2004 From: d at vidnorth.com (David North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Rob Is Listmeister Now Message-ID: <843D403A-47EC-11D9-BEC4-000393836B64@vidnorth.com> That's it, I'm done! Woo! Thanks Rich, Dana and everyone else for the thanks. But of course it's Rob that deserves them now... Dave "Ex Presidents Shouldn't Have To Run Membership Lists Are You Listening Mike?" North From robhawley at earthlink.net Mon Dec 6 17:51:06 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] First look at membership stats Message-ID: <20041207015105.E7CA7BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> Now that database is ported I decided to have a little fun. Here are stats of the counts of expirations by month. Note the large number for Oct and Nov 04. I may also be reporting the memberships differently as I intend to report complementary distinct from paid. Oct 04 9 Nov 04 10 Dec 04 12 Jan 05 16 feb 25 mar 16 apr 18 may 20 june 71 july 15 aug 20 sept 21 oct 18 nov 9 Dec 05 15 2006 or later 5 Total Paid 281 complementary 28 Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Dec 7 13:30:56 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Policy on complementary memberships Message-ID: <20041207213056.D96C0BDB9@mail.whiteoaks.com> I want to make sure that the policy on complementary memberships is documented. According to Dave, speakers receive a complementary membership for one year. At that point they can renew or will be dropped. Some folks have been granted an honorary membership. These are the non-organizational memberships and their status. Technically Bruce Weaver's membership has expired. First Name Last Name Expire Month Expire Date last payment payment details LOTUS BAKER honorary Ken Croswell may 5/31/2005 5/3/2004 Speaker John Dobson honorary Alex Filippenko Feb 2/28/2005 2/8/2004 Speaker Elinor Gates Jan 1/31/2005 1/11/2004 Speaker JOHN GLEASON honorary DON MACHHOLZ honorary JACK MARLING honorary KEVIN & DENNI MEDLOCK honorary GERALD W. RATTLEY honorary Karel Schrijver Sep 9/30/2005 8/28/2004 Speaker Fee RICHARD STANTON honorary Sam Sweiss honorary Tim Thompson Jan 1/31/2005 Bruce Weaver (MIRA) Nov 11/30/2004 11/9/2003 Speakers Fee Kevin Zahnle Mar 3/31/2005 2/14/2001 NASA JACK M. ZEIDERS honorary Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Dec 7 13:49:14 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Policy on complementary memberships In-Reply-To: <20041207213056.D96C0BDB9@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <20041207214914.CFA22BDAA@mail.whiteoaks.com> The table in the last version was not very readable First Name Last Name Expire Month Expire Date last payment payment details LOTUS BAKER honorary Ken Croswell may 5/31/2005 5/3/2004 Speaker John Dobson honorary Alex Filippenko Feb 2/28/2005 2/8/2004 Speaker Elinor Gates Jan 1/31/2005 1/11/2004 Speaker JOHN GLEASON honorary DON MACHHOLZ honorary JACK MARLING honorary KEVIN & DENNI MEDLOCK honorary GERALD W. RATTLEY honorary Karel Schrijver Sep 9/30/2005 8/28/2004 Speaker Fee RICHARD STANTON honorary Sam Sweiss honorary Tim Thompson Jan 1/31/2005 Bruce Weaver (MIRA) Nov 11/30/2004 11/9/2003 Speakers Fee Kevin Zahnle Mar 3/31/2005 2/14/2001 NASA JACK M. ZEIDERS honorary Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Dec 7 16:34:57 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships Message-ID: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> _____ From: Kohlmiller, Paul [mailto:Paul.Kohlmiller@Sunclinical.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:10 PM To: Rob Hawley Subject: RE: Complementary memberships I would like to nominate one complementary subscription: Amateur Astronomy Magazine Tom Clark - Editor 5450 NW 52 Ct. Chiefland, FL 32626 Thanks, PK _____ From: Rob Hawley [mailto:robhawley@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:11 PM To: 'Kohlmiller, Paul' Subject: RE: Complementary memberships This is exactly why I wanted to raise this. Filippenko is now honorary. I would be OK for me to make Mojo honarary(on the other hand they are willing to pay dues). Richard Stanton was on the list I got from dave and had no expiration. Here are the current complementary members. There is one less than I reported yesterday since one former complementary member is now paying dues. ASTRO SOC. OF PACIFIC SANTA CRUZ ASTRO CLUB TRI-CITY ASTRO CLUB SAN MATEO ASTRO SOCIETY STOCKTON ASTRO SOCIETY ORANGE COUNTY ASTRONOMERS LOTUS BAKER honorary Ken Croswell may 5/31/2005 John Dobson honorary Alex Filippenko Feb 2/28/2005 Elinor Gates Jan 1/31/2005 JOHN GLEASON honorary CHINA LAKE honorary DON MACHHOLZ honorary JACK MARLING honorary KEVIN & DENNI MEDLOCK honorary LICK OBSERVATORY GERALD W. RATTLEY honorary Karel Schrijver Sep 9/30/2005 East Bay Astro Society RICHARD STANTON honorary TRI-VALLEY STARGAZERS Sam Sweiss honorary Tim Thompson Jan 1/31/2005 Bruce Weaver (MIRA) Nov 11/30/2004 Kevin Zahnle Mar 3/31/2005 JACK M. ZEIDERS honorary Rob Hawley _____ From: Kohlmiller, Paul [mailto:Paul.Kohlmiller@Sunclinical.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:51 PM To: robhawley@earthlink.net Subject: Complementary memberships Rob, it's not my place but could I put in a few comments about complementary memberships. Alex Filippenko gave us a lot of credibility by coming to our meeting last Feb. Could we make him honorary? Are we still in contact with Richard Stanton? He used to send ephemerae to the Ephemeris but he doesn't any longer and he doesn't reply to our e-mails. Should we change MoJane to honorary? BTW, I was in Orion's store on Saturday and noticed that they had 50 to 100 copies of the latest Ephemeris. I didn't know we gave them so many. It made me wonder how many copies we get printed each time. I wanted to know this number because I want to know how much it hits the SJAA budget if we have a 10 or 12 page newsletter occasionally -- or if we want to upgrade the printing in the future. Also, a while ago I tried to get a list of the non-member subscriptions. For example, do we send a copy to Amateur Astronomy? Project Astro at ASP? Paul Kohlmiller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20041207/7a8fb50d/attachment.html From jvn at svpal.org Wed Dec 8 00:35:46 2004 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41B6BCE2.12B8@svpal.org> Honorary memberships are given to people who have done much for the club. For instance, John Gleason was editor for seven years, longer than anyone else. Don Machholz wrote his Comet Comments for a couple decades. Etc. We get newsletters from each of the clubs listed. Lotus Baker is the contact at Lick Observatory. China Lake (or rather, CHINA LAKE) is an astronomy club in Ridgecrest, CA. We get their newsletter. I wonder if the subscription to Jack Marling is to his home, or to the Lumicon store in Livermore? I recall the company was sold. The newsletter goes to 891 Laguna Street. The 2000 issue of S&T had a store address on Preston Avenue, but the present address is in Simi Valley. So 891 Laguna may be Jack's residence. Or was. About Rich Stanton -- he produced the table with the positions of the planets. It appeared in our newsletter, also his own, Santa Cruz. Both newsletters have nearly identical tables, but nobody's name is on them. I don't know if Rich is involved any more. > ASTRO SOC. OF PACIFIC > SANTA CRUZ ASTRO CLUB > TRI-CITY ASTRO CLUB > SAN MATEO ASTRO SOCIETY > STOCKTON ASTRO SOCIETY > ORANGE COUNTY ASTRONOMERS > LOTUS BAKER honorary > Ken Croswell may 5/31/2005 > John Dobson honorary > Alex Filippenko Feb 2/28/2005 > Elinor Gates Jan 1/31/2005 > JOHN GLEASON honorary > CHINA LAKE honorary > DON MACHHOLZ honorary > JACK MARLING honorary > KEVIN & DENNI MEDLOCK honorary > LICK OBSERVATORY > GERALD W. RATTLEY honorary > Karel Schrijver Sep 9/30/2005 > East Bay Astro Society > RICHARD STANTON honorary > TRI-VALLEY STARGAZERS > Sam Sweiss honorary > Tim Thompson Jan 1/31/2005 > Bruce Weaver (MIRA) Nov 11/30/2004 > Kevin Zahnle Mar 3/31/2005 > JACK M. ZEIDERS honorary > > Rob Hawley > -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Dec 8 01:56:52 2004 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > _____ > > From: Kohlmiller, Paul [mailto:Paul.Kohlmiller@Sunclinical.com] > Should we change MoJane to honorary? Complimentary one year memberships for speakers is a nice idea. But, as I understand it, honorary memberships are for life... yes? Those should only be given out very sparingly, and only after careful consideration. Honoraria are all too easy to give out when times are good and membership is high, but times aren't always good, and those represent very long term entries in the liabilities column. Each one costs about 60 cents per month at the current prices. That may not sound like much, but it adds up. It looks like we have 19 honoraria and other clubs currently (not counting one-year complimentaries). That comes to around 137 bucks per year... every year. Now, how many more are we *sure* we want to add? If we want to thank people or be nice to them, how about something else not so very long term? We haven't used the Gregory fund in a while, how about that? > BTW, I was in Orion's store on Saturday and noticed that they had 50 to 100 > copies of the latest Ephemeris. I didn't know we gave them so many. According to the bill from AccuPrint, they made 375 copies. I don't know the exact current membership, but I believe it's around 340 or 350. Not to mention the extra copies usually available at the meetings. Maybe Orion made copies themselves? Gary From north at znet.com Wed Dec 8 07:35:58 2004 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> Message-ID: Gary: > Complimentary one year memberships for speakers is a nice > idea. But, as I understand it, honorary memberships are for > life... yes? Those should only be given out very sparingly, > and only after careful consideration. Yes. Sometimes the issue is a little confused, such as in the case of Lotus Baker or Jack Marling. Lotus is listed as 'permanent' only because (at least for the time being) we actually have a _person_ who should get the Lick copy. This is often not the case with other organizations. Lotus will see to it that it gets best use. Jack Marling was listed before I took over and I was never sure of the reason (something beyond the scope of Lumicon?) and never did anything about it. Some years back we did a cursory review of these and eliminated several, but not Jack. Orion having 50 copies is certainly possible -- it's up to Lew what he does with any extras, and the _real_ count is often above the _charged_ count. They print overage to cover loss in bindery and if Ben gets lucky there's no bindery loss, but they don't charge beyond the target amount. So we may actually have more "overs" than we expect in any given month. Sometimes it goes a tad the other way, but that's rare. Jim: > I wonder if the subscription to Jack Marling is to his home, or to the > Lumicon store in Livermore? I honestly don't know! > I recall the company was sold. Yes. > About Rich Stanton -- he produced the table with the positions of the > planets. Celestial Calendar. And as far as I know, Rich was never granted a permanent honorary status, but rather sent a copy out of respect for his monthly submission. It looks like we're no longer using it, in which case I'm sure Rich (one of the Nice Guys of astronomy) would not object to being off the mailing list. He commented as much some years back. Previous editors ran with it for many years, but it looks like the RASC compilation has taken its place. Dave From jvn at svpal.org Wed Dec 8 22:03:59 2004 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> Message-ID: <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> Gary Mitchell wrote: > > From: Kohlmiller, Paul > > > > Should we change MoJane to honorary? > > Complimentary one year memberships for speakers is a nice > idea. But, as I understand it, honorary memberships are for > life... yes? Those should only be given out very sparingly, > and only after careful consideration. It could be one year, as with speakers; we specify that up front. I don't recall ever discussing policy regarding honorary memberships. For instance: if the speaker is one of our present members, do we waive his dues for 1 year? > Honoraria are all too easy to give out when times are good [...] > We haven't used the > Gregory fund in a while, how about that? Interesting you mention it here. The most recent recipient is Jane. See . So in view of Gary's suggestion, the answer to Paul's question is "no". Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From north at znet.com Wed Dec 8 22:07:39 2004 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> Message-ID: jvn: > For instance: if the speaker is one of our present members, do we > waive his dues for 1 year? That's what I did, right or wrong. Dave From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Dec 8 22:16:13 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041209061613.77E62BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> I did not raise this because I disagreed with the current practice. I just want to make sure the board understands what is being done and everyone is OK with that going forward. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Dave North Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:08 PM To: Business list for SJAA board of directors and members Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships jvn: > For instance: if the speaker is one of our present members, do we > waive his dues for 1 year? That's what I did, right or wrong. Dave _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From wb6yru at aenet.net Thu Dec 9 01:55:42 2004 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> Message-ID: <41B8211E.1040807@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > Gary Mitchell wrote: > > >>>From: Kohlmiller, Paul >>> >>>Should we change MoJane to honorary? >> >>Complimentary one year memberships for speakers is a nice >>idea. But, as I understand it, honorary memberships are for >>life... yes? Those should only be given out very sparingly, >>and only after careful consideration. > > > It could be one year, as with speakers; we specify that up front. I > don't recall ever discussing policy regarding honorary memberships. I only have two concerns: 1) that we not get carried away giving too many of these out, and 2) we have some kind of regular review. In other words, if we do nothing, they'll eventually end on their own after some period of time. Even newsletter exchanges with other clubs or to places like Orion, (which I'm all in favor of), should have some kind of occasional review. In the case of a club, if we receive their newsletter, that would qualify. Or in the case of Orion, if they're still in business etc., that would qualify. I suppose we may already be doing this. I'm not suggesting we get all worked up over this, just not let them go on ad infinitum without ever any check. Gary From north at znet.com Thu Dec 9 09:37:04 2004 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: <41B8211E.1040807@aenet.net> References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> <41B8211E.1040807@aenet.net> Message-ID: Gary: > Even newsletter exchanges with other clubs or to places > like Orion, (which I'm all in favor of), should have some > kind of occasional review. I did that now and then. But there was never a formal system. One way to handle it is to do the periodic "address correction requested" (with the inevitable trips to the mail window to pay for the returns). Now and then one of the exchange or honoraries comes back dry, and I'd just kill it. Others looked weird and I'd check on them. That sort of thing. But no actual logical system or anything like that. d From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Dec 10 01:32:58 2004 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: Complementary memberships In-Reply-To: References: <20041208003458.9FF51BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41B6CFE4.4030008@aenet.net> <41B7EACF.74BE@svpal.org> <41B8211E.1040807@aenet.net> Message-ID: <41B96D4A.70402@aenet.net> Dave North wrote: > Gary: > >> Even newsletter exchanges with other clubs or to places >> like Orion, (which I'm all in favor of), should have some >> kind of occasional review. > > > I did that now and then. But there was never a formal system. One way to > handle it is to do the periodic "address correction requested" (with the > inevitable trips to the mail window to pay for the returns). Now and > then one of the exchange or honoraries comes back dry, and I'd just kill > it. > Others looked weird and I'd check on them. That sort of thing. But > no actual logical system or anything like that. That's better than nothing. One thing I was thinking of is that we could send out a post card once every few years (no more than annual) asking if they're still interested in receiving the Ephemeris. If we don't get a response, we drop them. (In the case of other clubs, getting their newsletter is response enough.) Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Sat Dec 11 08:44:15 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] First draft of the new member booklet Message-ID: <20041211164415.2E6ABBD49@mail.whiteoaks.com> This is the first draft. http://home.earthlink.net/~robhawley/New%20Member%20Guide.htm The document is currently published as an HTML document. This has the advantage of being able to use internal links. Word produces extremely complex HTML and my browser (FireFox) does not display this 100% correctly. The flaws are minor and would only be noticed if you were familiar with the original. If PDF can preserve the links then that would still be better. While reading the material some questions have come up. 1. "Renewal notices are sent out by S&T about March, and subscription for the next year may then be paid to SJAA's treasurer (not to S&T)." 2. Are we doing Astronomy Day? It is mentioned in one portion of the calendar, but not scheduled in the details section. 3. The original said the AANC awarded a Messier certificate. I did not see that on the AANC web site, but I found one with the Astronomy League. 4. Do we still phone the Coe rangers to reserve the overflow parking on dark nights? Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Sat Dec 11 15:09:36 2004 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] First draft of the new member booklet References: <20041211164415.2E6ABBD49@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41BB7E30.74@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: (I have not yet reviewed the draft.) > While reading the material some questions have come up. > 1. "Renewal notices are sent out by S&T about March, and subscription > for the next year may then be paid to SJAA's treasurer (not to S&T)." Um, what's your question? It used to be that all subscriptions and memberships were lock-stepped to expire in June. Mine is, and I got a renewal notice a few days ago. We no longer keep them locked to June, but we do keep the person's S&T and SJAA in step by pro-rating SJAA dues when necessary. It may be better to make that read "... are sent out by S&T several months before expiration, and ...." > 2. Are we doing Astronomy Day? It is mentioned in one portion of the > calendar, but not scheduled in the details section. We/I designate the preceding Houge public event as our Astronomy Day event. Some lazy clubs might need the A.D. to nudge them to do a public event. I forgot to add the note for 2005. I'll fix it. > 3. The original said the AANC awarded a Messier certificate. I did not > see that on the AANC web site, but I found one with the Astronomy > League. They used to. I don't know the details. We're not A.L. members. > 4. Do we still phone the Coe rangers to reserve the overflow parking on > dark nights? I e-mail one each month (second of the pair of dark-sky weekends), and someone in TAC calls on any other date that they want. In most cases a drop-in is welcome in the overflow lot, but I strongly recommend phoning ahead as the lot is occasionally used overnight by others. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Sat Dec 11 23:58:21 2004 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA member cards Message-ID: <41BBFA1D.4020905@aenet.net> We talked about (and rejected) having SJAA member cards recently. I just thought I'd mention that we used to have them. I was going through some old SJAA stuff and came across mine. It's a simple photographic card showing an image of the Whirlpool with a place for the member's name at the bottom and "SJAA Member 1989/90" at the lower right. That's it, very simple. I'll bring it to the meeting. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Dec 12 01:16:43 2004 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] First draft of the new member booklet In-Reply-To: <41BB7E30.74@svpal.org> References: <20041211164415.2E6ABBD49@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41BB7E30.74@svpal.org> Message-ID: <41BC0C7B.8050103@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > Rob Hawley wrote: >>1. "Renewal notices are sent out by S&T about March, and subscription >>for the next year may then be paid to SJAA's treasurer (not to S&T)." > > > Um, what's your question? > > It used to be that all subscriptions and memberships were lock-stepped > to expire in June. Mine is, and I got a renewal notice a few days ago. > We no longer keep them locked to June, but we do keep the person's S&T > and SJAA in step by pro-rating SJAA dues when necessary. > > It may be better to make that read "... are sent out by S&T several > months before expiration, and ...." Please to add something to the effect that members should treat Sky Publishing's renewal notice as a reminder only. Renew normally with SJAA using *only* the SJAA form. We have no use for S&T's notice, yet many members think they have to include it with their renewal. I've seen members go so far as to include their S&T mailing label too. We have no use for that either. It'd be nice if they didn't use stables or paper clips too. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Dec 12 09:10:13 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] First draft of the new member booklet In-Reply-To: <41BB7E30.74@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20041212171013.61903BD47@mail.whiteoaks.com> > It may be better to make that read "... are sent out by S&T several months before expiration, and ...." That is closer to my understanding of the process. > They used to. I don't know the details. We're not A.L. members. I will drop mention of the certificate. >Coe The document already says to call ahead. Unless someone objects I will leave what is there. My question was more for the other places where I see an SJAA reservation at Coe mentioned (e.g. on TAC). Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Mon Dec 13 23:42:18 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Would like to strengthen Member Benefits statement Message-ID: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> I spent an hour this afternoon emailing the members that are past due and expiring. It made me stop and think that since all SJAA events are open to everyone, why bother paying the dues. I would like to add to the list in the New Member Guide. 1. The Ephemeris, our 8-page monthly newsletter, contains the calendar of events, reports on recent activities, description of special events, special reports, observing techniques, and much much more. 2. The club Scope loaner program. This is discussed further below 3. A reduced subscription rate to Sky and Telescope magazine and/or Astronomy magazine. 4. Discounts at various astronomy vendors. I would appreciate suggestions for additional items. One item is that we helped support the great AANC conference. What else do we do with our dues money? I don't think many people will find "paying liability insurance" to be very compelling, but I could try to spin that as the price of our outreach efforts. Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Tue Dec 14 01:15:39 2004 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Would like to strengthen Member Benefits statement References: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41BEAF3B.197F@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: > > I spent an hour this afternoon emailing the members that are past due > and expiring. It made me stop and think that since all SJAA events > are open to everyone, why bother paying the dues. A few people don't pay. But most people realize that they ought to; if nobody pays dues the club can't run. And the loaner program is a major bargain, and it's NOT available on the web. The paper newsletter is useful as one can read it away from the computer (e.g., in the bathroom). The discount on the magazine offsets much of the $15. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From rnapo at znet.com Tue Dec 14 07:07:19 2004 From: rnapo at znet.com (rnapo) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Would like to strengthen Member Benefits statement References: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> <41BEAF3B.197F@svpal.org> Message-ID: <000901c4e1ee$9efbbaa0$4ef61345@RNDell1> I appreciated Dave's email reminders that it was time to re-up my SJAA membership. As the years go by I read the SJAA news letter less and less. So, an email reminder is very helpful. Rich > Rob Hawley wrote: > > > > I spent an hour this afternoon emailing the members that are past due > > and expiring. It made me stop and think that since all SJAA events > > are open to everyone, why bother paying the dues. > > A few people don't pay. But most people realize that they ought to; > if nobody pays dues the club can't run. And the loaner program is a > major bargain, and it's NOT available on the web. > > The paper newsletter is useful as one can read it away from the > computer (e.g., in the bathroom). > > The discount on the magazine offsets much of the $15. > > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association > JVN's web site > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From north at znet.com Tue Dec 14 08:24:46 2004 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Would like to strengthen Member Benefits statement In-Reply-To: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: > I would appreciate suggestions for additional items. The right to vote in uncontested elections! d From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Dec 14 09:14:25 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Would like to strengthen Member Benefits statement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041214171425.55A8ABD8E@mail.whiteoaks.com> >The right to vote in uncontested elections! What makes you believe that!?! Rob Hawley From pkohlmil at best.com Tue Dec 14 23:05:10 2004 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] January 2005 Ephemeris Proofread Please Message-ID: <001701c4e274$6c7b9a60$0200a8c0@PKHPXPP> Dear FM proofers, The first 2005 issue of the Ephemeris is available for proofreading at http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0501/EphJan05.pdf. This edition is set to go to the printer late Thursday night. Pages 4-5 are a year-at-a-glance for SJAA and astronomical events. It's a bit quirky. Thanks, Paul and Mary Kohlmiller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20041214/cc6414a0/attachment.html From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Dec 14 23:29:45 2004 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Would like to strengthen Member Benefits statement In-Reply-To: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20041214074217.C8246BD46@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41BFE7E9.2020300@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > What else do we do with our dues > money? I don't think many people will find "paying liability insurance" to > be very compelling, but I could try to spin that as the price of our > outreach efforts. I suggest a different angle on that... Our liability insurance covers members who participate in our star parties or other club activities. Another thing is that I've been impressed at the level of speakers we often get at our general meetings. One doesn't have to be a member to enjoy meeting presentations and a few other things we do, of course. However, as Jim mentioned, supporting the club is important. We wouldn't be here at all without members. To me, that's the main reason to be a member. Gary From jkirkbride at SFKMinistry.org Wed Dec 15 09:43:37 2004 From: jkirkbride at SFKMinistry.org (Jeffrey Kirkbride) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] January 2005 Ephemeris Proofread Please In-Reply-To: <001701c4e274$6c7b9a60$0200a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Great work. I?m sure a lot of people are like me, who read read the Ephemeris of SJAA but just don?t seem to have time to thank those who put it together. So I?d like to do that now - to say thank you to all the SJAA Board and those who do (and have done) the Ephemeris over the years. It is a great resource for my astronomy class at Evergreen Valley College. Thanks again to all of you. Jeffrey Kirkbride PS. One minor typo on page two, the article on Deep Impact now reads - ?And it will simply won?t do for the spacecraft to suddenly become camera shy. ? I think you should remove the word ?will?. On 12/14/04 11:05 PM, "Paul Kohlmiller" wrote: > Dear FM proofers, The first 2005 issue of the Ephemeris is available for > proofreading at http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0501/EphJan05.pdf. This edition is > set to go to the printer late Thursday night. > Pages 4-5 are a year-at-a-glance for SJAA and astronomical events. It's a bit > quirky. > Thanks, > Paul and Mary Kohlmiller > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20041215/47992c81/attachment.html From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Dec 15 15:08:09 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] December Membership report Message-ID: <20041215230808.E518FBD43@mail.whiteoaks.com> The December membership report is below. I have not gotten any renewals in the mail, but it looks like members tend to renew at the meeting. Report Date 12/15/2004 Last SJAA Meeting 11/20/2004 expired 5 October-04 9 ** November-04 10 - - - - - - - December-04 12 January-05 16 February-05 25 March-05 16 April-05 18 May-05 20 June-05 70 July-05 15 August-05 20 September-05 21 October-05 18 November-05 9 December-05 15 January-06 6 more than 13 months 4 complementary 26 expiring 19 paid(current) 285 email delivery 13 Labels Generated 317 S&T Members 158 New Members since last meeting 11 records in DB 335 Rob Hawley ** a couple of these folks response to email reminders and indicated they would renew. From bhavner at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 18 09:58:04 2004 From: bhavner at sbcglobal.net (Bob & Brenda Havner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Absent Message-ID: <002301c4e52b$1fa99b60$60d9fea9@Turtlerock> I am not going to be attending this evenings meeting. Bob From craigus at rocketmail.com Sat Dec 18 14:37:55 2004 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Video camera needed for tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <001701c4e274$6c7b9a60$0200a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <20041218223755.45874.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Please let me know if you have a video camera we could use to record tonight's meeting. I can provide the video tape and tripod if you let me know what format to bring. thanks Craig __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From craigus at rocketmail.com Sat Dec 18 14:37:55 2004 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Video camera needed for tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <001701c4e274$6c7b9a60$0200a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <20041218223755.45874.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Please let me know if you have a video camera we could use to record tonight's meeting. I can provide the video tape and tripod if you let me know what format to bring. thanks Craig __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From craigus at rocketmail.com Sat Dec 18 14:43:16 2004 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Video camera found In-Reply-To: <001701c4e274$6c7b9a60$0200a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <20041218224316.84505.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> David Smith volunteered the use of his camera. Thanks Craig __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Dec 19 09:46:38 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Did someone find a blue LL Bean coat last night? Message-ID: <20041219174637.F113CBDB3@mail.whiteoaks.com> I think I left it on a chair in the front of the room Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Sun Dec 19 16:26:05 2004 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Did someone find a blue LL Bean coat last night? ALSO: coffeepot References: <20041219174637.F113CBDB3@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41C61C1D.53EE@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: > > I think I left it on a chair in the front of the room I have it here at my house, near Houge Park. Would anyone like to store the SJAA coffeepot? Preferably someone who knows how to utilize it? Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Dec 29 13:09:34 2004 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Can anyone refresh my memory about Tim Thompson? Message-ID: <20041229210938.DFB58BD8B@mail.whiteoaks.com> He is from NASA JPL and is listed as complementary, but with an expiration date. That looks like the configuration of a speaker, but Dr Gates was the speaker in Jan 04. It looks like he spoke in August 2003. Does anyone know why his complementary status was extended? If no one objects then I will send him a note that his complementary status is expiring. That is the default behavior for speakers. Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Wed Dec 29 17:57:39 2004 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:26 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Can anyone refresh my memory about Tim Thompson? References: <20041229210938.DFB58BD8B@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <41D36093.1DB6@svpal.org> August 2003 9 -Sa- General Meeting at Houge Park. Tim Thompson: "Astrophysics, Astronomy, and the Age of the Universe" Presumably his speaker membership ended Aug.04. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN site