From jvn at svpal.org Sun May 1 00:02:53 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:27 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: SJ Astronmical Association Talk? / Radio Astronomy & Stanford Dish Rescue Effort References: <20050430235330.646647B5E@mail.whiteoaks.com> <9ca5984c11098f3e941a18f14176f617@znet.com> Message-ID: <42747F1D.485C@svpal.org> > Rob Hawley forwarded: > > > might be interested in having a talk given to the SJ Astronomical > > Association about radio astronomy and the Bracewell Observatory > > rescue effort? I'm interested. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun May 1 01:39:07 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] FW: SJ Astronmical Association Talk? / Radio Astronomy & Stanford Dish Rescue Effort In-Reply-To: <20050430235330.646647B5E@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050430235330.646647B5E@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <427495AB.405@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > > > > > Rob Hawley > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lash [mailto:bob@bambi.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:37 PM > To: robhawley@earthlink.net > Subject: SJ Astronmical Association Talk? / Radio Astronomy & Stanford Dish > Rescue Effort > > Hi Robert, > > Don Latham mentioned he met you on an eclipse trip (see below), and though > might be interested in having a talk given to the SJ Astronomical > Association about radio astronomy and the Bracewell Observatory rescue > effort? > > I'm a past director of the Society of Amateur Radio Astronomers, and am also > heading up the Bracewell Observatory rescue effort, and would be happy to > give a slide talk of you are interested. I don't know about that Bracewell rescue thing (?), but a talk on radio astronomy sounds good. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun May 1 02:32:59 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] My take on the Auction Post Mortem (official version) In-Reply-To: <42741F13.7E2E@svpal.org> References: <20050430165958.1ECB187D0@mail.whiteoaks.com> <42741F13.7E2E@svpal.org> Message-ID: <4274A24B.1020304@aenet.net> Jim Van Nuland wrote: > Rob wrote: >> c) It must operate on more than a single piece of hardware. I would >>be most comfortable if the program operated on any commonly available >>windows laptop (in DOS mode). > > > I have run it in a DOS box under Win98, with one printer attached, and > the audit printer dummied to a second disk file. But I continue to run > it under DOS5 as that has never failed. The machine was at first an > 8088 machine with 640 k of memory and three floppy disks. I wonder if > it'll run on a Mac with the IBM emulator board? > > So far as the bottleneck prior to the auction, there is a separate > (slave) version of the program that can be run on separate machine(s). > So multiple people can be pounding away. Just before the auction > begins, each of those slave machines must bring their floppy disk to the > master machine. After that, the auction can begin with the master > tracking in real time. During the auction, the most recently > synchronized slave machine can register new material to > already-registered people, and also to those who have late-arriver > numbers. > > That machine could also allow early quitters to check out, provided > that all their stuff has been auctioned. It would be necessary for that > operator to enter all the sell transactions that are prevalent to the > quitter, then enter the close (pay) transaction. Somehow all this > duplicate data has to be identical to what is being done on the floor > with the master machine. The synchronize routine will deal with this, > but we've never done it at an actual auction. This is something I've often thought about, but the floppy disk part is its Achilles' heel. Is there any way to use serial ports to do the synchronizing? Having two computers and two operators would solve a lot of problems... including giving the one operator a break. Also, there's no real reason we have to use big machines, laptops would be good... already battery backed up too. >> C) Decouple data entry with the operation of the auction. > > > This needs more study than I have time for until after my guests and > also my coming vacation (back June 10). This is one of the problems two machines/operators would solve. >>B: We were still accepting new items to sell at the point the auction >>was beginning. ... withdraw the seller registration forms >>minutes before the beginning. > > > Excellent idea! Publish a cutoff time so people know. I'm surprised this is a "new" idea, we should have been doing this all along. It's just a question of scheduling the activities better... Doors open for seller set-up and registration at X Seller registration ends and buyers brows at Y Auction begins at Z Bidders could register late, Jim already has a way to deal with that, but not sellers. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun May 1 17:05:44 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction program meets "Mission Critical" test Message-ID: <20050502000554.0C2227CE6@mail.whiteoaks.com> I satisfied myself today that the auction program that Jim authored does meet the Mission Critical tests. 1) Backed up in Multiple Places I have a copy. There is also a copy at www.svpal.org/~jvn/AUCTION.ZIP (case sensitive). The file contains the source (with ASC extensions) and some docs. There is also documentation available at http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/2002-March/001218.html Pressing the space bar during operation will list the function keys. 2) Multiple People can use it I have been testing it this afternoon. If asked, I can run the non-slaved program. I could probably also figure out the slaved program if required. 3) Not dependent on a single piece of hardware The complied files in AUCTION.ZIP will not run in the cmd window of XP. The source apparently uses Qbasic 4.5 which is not generally available. I was able to obtain a copy of Qbasic 1.1 (legally) from Microsoft. I modified a copy of the basic auction program LAUCTION.BAS to be compatible with Qbasic 1.1. The other hardware incompatibility is that DOS depends on a character based printer attached to LPT1. I modified a copy of LAUCTION to "print" to files. This allows the program to fully operate on Windows XP with zero hardware dependencies. As a side effect it captures each of the printouts given to the buyers. At this point there is no reason to do anything more with the code copy I have. It is available if the club needs it; however, we should use the original version as long as Jim is willing to supply the proper equipment. I would strongly recommend using a UPS again in the future since DOS is not able to guarentee that written data is not lazily written to disk. Power Blip == data loss. Rob Hawley From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun May 1 18:23:33 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction program meets "Mission Critical" test In-Reply-To: <20050502000554.0C2227CE6@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050502000554.0C2227CE6@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <42758115.5010706@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > The other hardware incompatibility is that DOS depends on a > character based printer attached to LPT1. I modified a copy of LAUCTION to > "print" to files. This allows the program to fully operate on Windows XP > with zero hardware dependencies. As a side effect it captures each of the > printouts given to the buyers. It's good to write those to a file (for record keeping), but we still need to print out forms for sellers/buyers. I've got a HP LaserJet 6MP... I think it will take ordinary text from the printer port, but I'll have to test that to be sure. If you have a so-called "Windows printer," then you may be screwed. > At this point there is no reason to do anything more with the code copy I > have. It is available if the club needs it; however, we should use the > original version as long as Jim is willing to supply the proper equipment. > I would strongly recommend using a UPS again in the future since DOS is not > able to guarentee that written data is not lazily written to disk. Power > Blip == data loss. I've done some C programming for DOS, DOS will write when told to write. However, Qbasic may use a file buffer, I don't know. If the program closes the data file when not actually reading or writing to it, that should do the trick. That's a safe thing to do in any case. Just having the file open during a power failure is bad. This may all be completely academic if running in a DOS window of XP. Who knows what that will do. Even keeping the data file closed may not do it--I wouldn't be a bit surprised if XP only let's the program *think* it's closing the file. I can't imagine Microsoft would do that, but nothing they do surprises me anymore. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun May 1 19:01:47 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Auction program meets "Mission Critical" test In-Reply-To: <42758115.5010706@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20050502020153.8D9DD7B30@mail.whiteoaks.com> When I researched the issue on the internet the universal suggestion was put the information in a file and then use the Windows OS to print the file. With my mods you end up with a series of files named 000buyer-version.txt. You can print these with even a postscript printer. >From any interface that gives you access to Win32 this is easy. There is a bit that says to use write through. The data is on disk when the call returns. Otherwise the OS is free to buffer the data and write it in the future. The problem is that with Qbasic you are layering abstractions (Qbasic -> DOS -> Win32). There may be a way to do it, but it was not obvious from the APIs. As a minimum I would not keep the log file open. That is a trivial change. >if XP only let's the program *think* it's closing the file That is called lazy writing. And yes even NT File Servers do this unless told otherwise. It inflates their benchmark numbers. Why do you think we sold so many NetApp filers? Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue May 3 17:18:15 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Some stats on member expirations Message-ID: <20050504001820.BA2F97D2E@mail.whiteoaks.com> Here is the histogram for the 54 people in the database with expired memberships. I have "member since" data for 2/3 of the expired members. This implies we have had a lot of short term members. Of course the not-specified here is still rather large. 2004 17 2003 16 2002 2 2001 0 2000 0 < 2000 0 Specified 35 65% Not Specified 19 total 54 Rob Hawley From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue May 3 23:38:57 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Some stats on member expirations In-Reply-To: <20050504001820.BA2F97D2E@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050504001820.BA2F97D2E@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <42786E01.3010501@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > Here is the histogram for the 54 people in the database with expired > memberships. I have "member since" data for 2/3 of the expired members. > This implies we have had a lot of short term members. I suspect a lot of them joined on a whim around the time of Mars' close approach. We gained quite a few members then. Gary From pkohlmil at best.com Thu May 12 00:55:43 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] June Ephemeris Proofread Request Message-ID: <001901c556c8$01a055a0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Dear members of the board (and others who happen to be on this e-mail list): The June issue of the Ephemeris is ready to be proofread. Kindly point your browser to: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0506/EphJun05.pdf If there is more than could be said about the auction, we have room for a couple of sentences. All comments welcome but we hope to send this to the printer about 2 p.m. on Friday the 13th. (Unless it turns out to be an unlucky day for some strange reason!). Paul and Mary Kohlmiller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be possible to gain a tad of space from the "Solar System Stats" note letting us know where to find the information, should one be inclined. dn From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Thu May 12 16:57:57 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] June Ephemeris Proofread Request In-Reply-To: <001901c556c8$01a055a0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> References: <001901c556c8$01a055a0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <20050512173139.N39390@koopm.best.vwh.net> In the Calendar section: June 11 change the Coyote Lark Star Party to Public star party at Coyote Lake Park June 18 Add at Houge Park (I have gotten calls about this....) July 9th Add FPOA Star-B-Que July 30: Star Party start time will be 9 PM Mike On Thu, 12 May 2005, Paul Kohlmiller wrote: > Dear members of the board (and others who happen to be on this e-mail list): > The June issue of the Ephemeris is ready to be proofread. Kindly point your browser to: > http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0506/EphJun05.pdf > If there is more than could be said about the auction, we have room for a couple of sentences. > All comments welcome but we hope to send this to the printer about 2 p.m. on Friday the 13th. (Unless it turns out to be an unlucky day for some strange reason!). > > Paul and Mary Kohlmiller From craigus at rocketmail.com Sat May 14 13:18:43 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Craig out of town next weekend, needs sub for AANC mtg In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050514201843.96083.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> Hello there I will be out of town next weekend and regretfully will be unable to attend either our saturday board meeting or the sunday AANC meeting. Mike, you have attended the majority of the AANC's meetings with me, were you planning to attend this particular one as well? If not, Rob or Gary might be logical next choices. I didn't realize the timing wasn't going to work out and had committed to taking notes this time also, so whoever goes needs to have pen/paper or laptop in hand and email the notes to Alan Gould afterwards who will put them on the web. thanks Craig From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed May 18 14:15:02 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Membership Counts Message-ID: <20050518211509.97C251BFD@mail.whiteoaks.com> This month saw another significant drop in membership to 268 paid members (294 total). Of the 14 people in the March and April lists (one was a complementary member), all of the 10 in April and 2 of the 4 in Mar joined in 2003 or 2004. The other 2 in Mar did not have a specified member start date. Clearly we are not retaining our new members. Looking forward to May and June of the 11 due to expire in May, 6 are from that period. Of the 38 in June, only 7 are known recent members. Last SJAA Meeting 3/26/2005 Report Date 5/18/2005 March-05 5 April-05 10 May-05 11 June-05 38 July-05 12 August-05 19 September-05 20 October-05 19 November-05 10 December-05 16 January-06 21 February-06 18 March-06 20 April-06 10 May-06 10 June-06 33 more than 13 months 11 complementary 26 expiring 15 paid(current) 268 email delivery 12 Labels Generated 297 S&T Members 163 New Members since last meeting 4 current + complementary 294 paid only 2005 12 2004 58 2003 44 2002 24 2001 3 2000 2 <2000 32 Specified 175 65% Not Specified 93 total 268 from expire! 268 expired (not including ex-compl) 2005 0 2004 17 2003 16 2002 2 2001 0 2000 0 <2000 0 Specified 35 65% Not Specified 19 total 54 Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Thu May 19 19:57:04 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Prototype of PayPal Page Message-ID: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> Paul and I have a draft of the proposed PayPal page for your review http://www.sjaa.net/SJAAmembership.html We would like clearance to change the main SJAA page to use this and to publicize using PayPal for renewals. I already have at least one member eager to renew this way. After we posted the page we found a cosmetic problem. There is a bad URL for the SJAA icon. This may already be fixed by the time you read this. Rob Hawley From north at znet.com Thu May 19 22:08:27 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Prototype of PayPal Page In-Reply-To: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: > Paul and I have a draft of the proposed PayPal page for your review Looks just about perfect to me! Dave North From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri May 20 01:52:21 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Prototype of PayPal Page In-Reply-To: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <428DA545.7080207@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > Paul and I have a draft of the proposed PayPal page for your review > > > http://www.sjaa.net/SJAAmembership.html > > > We would like clearance to change the main SJAA page to use this and to > publicize using PayPal for renewals. I already have at least one member > eager to renew this way. > > After we posted the page we found a cosmetic problem. There is a bad URL > for the SJAA icon. This may already be fixed by the time you read this. > > Rob Hawley Looks good--and it's about time this is finally getting done. I just have some nit-picky editorial comments and suggestions. (Maybe I should take that off the remailer.) Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri May 20 11:18:17 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RE: comments about the SJAA membership page In-Reply-To: <428DAAC7.9010502@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20050520181819.796058672@mail.whiteoaks.com> I received some comments off line that deserve general discussion. The original comments have been paraphrased. 1. Should we be emphasizing the PayPal manner of payment over the conventional form payment? Yes I believe we should for a couple of reasons. First it allows folks to renew directly from my reminder email. That may help our retention rates. It will almost certainly help getting renewals on time. I know of a lot of cases where I get a reply that someone is renewing, but it is weeks before I see a check (if ever). Second, it may enable more impulse memberships. Finally, it will insure we have an accurate and legible postal and email addresses for the member. That will save me time. We are not telling folks not to use the old system. The membership form will still be printed with the Ephemeris and is accessible via a link on the page. 2. PayPal charges fees for its service. Should we be charging a convenience fee like other activities do (e.g. Shingletown). I would be OK with adding a couple dollars for a convenience fee. I also received some wording changes that I will integrate into the existing page and ask Paul to republish it. Rob Hawley From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Fri May 20 11:53:22 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: SJAA Logo Designs (fwd) Message-ID: <20050520125251.P23338@koopm.best.vwh.net> Hi Rhea, The designs look great! Most certainly we are off to a good start. I would like to post the link to the SJAA Board Mailing list if you do not mind. I like your SJAA Comet with the kids. Very nice. Unfortunately, none of them hit me as this is it! I would like to submit these designs as a start to next month's ephemeris to kick off a logo contest to get some more ideas. I think the best way to get a logo is to ask our members for some rough ideas, and have you draw them up. We then have an a vote, maybe a pick 3 with all the designs for a first pass, with the top 3 getting a final shot at a final vote. I do not know how much time you would like to spend on this. Please bring them on by to our next board meeting which is on Sat. May 21, say around 7:30 before we break up for the general meeting. Thanks for your efforts! I hope you enjoyed the auction. Mike BTW, your Yosemite poster should feature Half Dome. http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0309/b.html http://www.whiteoaks.com/sjaa-yosemite-2002/ Also, make sure to sign up for the trip! > Hi Mike! > > I have created 6 concepts to start the ball rolling on the new logo for SJAA. > Here is the link: > http://www.sunatnight.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?cmd=show_thumbs&path=sjaa&tn=1 > > Logo 01- incorporates the refractor telescope shape and uses the A as the > tripod with a curved night sky. This can be used with or without the full > name of the association. > > Logo 02 - A much simpler design of the refractor telescope and the A tripod > with a single star. Can be used with or without the full name underneath. > > Logo 03 - Incorporates the NASA patch shapes into a compass design. Depicts > the SJAA acronym, refractor telescope, sun and meteor. > > Logo04 - A totally different concept, focusing on community and > communication. Star shaped abstract adults and children grouped together to > form a star shape with a tail or path leading up to the group, which has > SJAA. I wanted to throw this concept at you in case you may have a need for > it. This concept would be great to enhance the school star parties or > education. > > Logo 05 - Night sky with white silhouette of an observer with a dobsonian > telescope. > > Logo 06 - Reversed silhouette of the observer and dobsonian telescope with a > refractor telescope nearby. SJAA is part white and part black. > > These are concepts only, and can be revised. If you would like, we can setup > a meeting where you can see these in print. > > ~Thanks, > Rhea > > > From craigus at rocketmail.com Fri May 20 12:58:12 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: SJAA Logo Designs (fwd) In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050520195812.77585.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com> It's great to see progress! Thanks for the help Rhea. I like the first graphic the best because it has the most sky visible. Please add a "big sky" design concept to the mix as well (see attached Stockton logo) to give us a direction that puts more emphasis on the sky and minimizes the instrumentation. There are some interesting ideas to borrow from (and improve upon) to yield something original to our club. Craig --- Michael Koop wrote: > > Hi Rhea, > The designs look great! > Most certainly we are off to a good start. > I would like to post the link to the SJAA Board Mailing > list if you do not > mind. I like your SJAA Comet with the kids. Very nice. > Unfortunately, none of them hit me as this is it! > > I would like to submit these designs as a start to next > month's ephemeris to > kick off a logo contest to get some more ideas. I think > the best way to get a > logo is to ask our members for some rough ideas, and > have you draw them up. > We then have an a vote, maybe a pick 3 with all the > designs for a first pass, > with the top 3 getting a final shot at a final vote. I > do not know how much > time > you would like to spend on this. > > Please bring them on by to our next board meeting which > is on Sat. May 21, say > around 7:30 before we break up for the general meeting. > > Thanks for your efforts! > I hope you enjoyed the auction. > > Mike > > BTW, your Yosemite poster should feature Half Dome. > http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0309/b.html > http://www.whiteoaks.com/sjaa-yosemite-2002/ > Also, make sure to sign up for the trip! > > > > Hi Mike! > > > > I have created 6 concepts to start the ball rolling > on the new logo for SJAA. > > Here is the link: > > > http://www.sunatnight.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?cmd=show_thumbs&path=sjaa&tn=1 > > > > Logo 01- incorporates the refractor telescope shape > and uses the A as the > > tripod with a curved night sky. This can be used with > or without the full > > name of the association. > > > > Logo 02 - A much simpler design of the refractor > telescope and the A tripod > > with a single star. Can be used with or without the > full name underneath. > > > > Logo 03 - Incorporates the NASA patch shapes into a > compass design. Depicts > > the SJAA acronym, refractor telescope, sun and > meteor. > > > > Logo04 - A totally different concept, focusing on > community and > > communication. Star shaped abstract adults and > children grouped together to > > form a star shape with a tail or path leading up to > the group, which has > > SJAA. I wanted to throw this concept at you in case > you may have a need for > > it. This concept would be great to enhance the school > star parties or > > education. > > > > Logo 05 - Night sky with white silhouette of an > observer with a dobsonian > > telescope. > > > > Logo 06 - Reversed silhouette of the observer and > dobsonian telescope with a > > refractor telescope nearby. SJAA is part white and > part black. > > > > These are concepts only, and can be revised. If you > would like, we can setup > > a meeting where you can see these in print. > > > > ~Thanks, > > Rhea > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sas_logo.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3801 bytes Desc: 3624014481-sas_logo.gif Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20050520/1ea23000/sas_logo.gif From bill at nineplanets.org Fri May 20 14:32:04 2005 From: bill at nineplanets.org (Bill Arnett) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Prototype of PayPal Page In-Reply-To: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <91C6CA0A-D11C-40AE-8E68-7902FCC550E6@nineplanets.org> Looks good from this eager member's point of view :-) This is infinitely easier than writing out a check, scribbling on an envelope, licking a stamp and walking to the mail box. Perhaps the board might also consider adding a PayPal donation button on the website somewhere. It may be that a member from time to time feels generous. Why not make it easy to act on such an impulse? On May 19, 2005, at 7:57 PM, Rob Hawley wrote: > Paul and I have a draft of the proposed PayPal page for your review > > > http://www.sjaa.net/SJAAmembership.html > > > We would like clearance to change the main SJAA page to use this > and to > publicize using PayPal for renewals. I already have at least one > member > eager to renew this way. > > After we posted the page we found a cosmetic problem. There is a > bad URL > for the SJAA icon. This may already be fixed by the time you read > this. > > Rob Hawley > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > > -- Bill Arnett bill@nineplanets.org http://bill.nineplanets.org/ Emerald Hills CA USA 37 27 N 122 15 W From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri May 20 17:55:55 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: SJAA Logo Designs (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20050520125251.P23338@koopm.best.vwh.net> References: <20050520125251.P23338@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <428E871B.1070000@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > > Hi Rhea, > The designs look great! > Most certainly we are off to a good start. Indeed. >> http://www.sunatnight.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?cmd=show_thumbs&path=sjaa&tn=1 >> >> >> Logo 01- incorporates the refractor telescope shape and uses the A as >> the tripod with a curved night sky. This can be used with or without >> the full name of the association. AYEEE! NOooooooo... The MOOOOOOON! :O >> Logo 05 - Night sky with white silhouette of an observer with a >> dobsonian telescope. >> >> Logo 06 - Reversed silhouette of the observer and dobsonian telescope >> with a refractor telescope nearby. SJAA is part white and part black. And especially the last one - Poster04 (Yosemite). Those last two come closest to what I had in mind. Increase the population by ten times (at least) with various poses, lose the lettering (or much less obvious), and that would be more like it. I really like the background of the Yosemite one. Our current logo is a long sunset horizon with a telescope at the left end. That basic configuration is good--it works easily at the top of the newsletter and on letterhead. I'd like to preserve that aspect. Instead of the scope at one end, how about "SJAA" at the upper left and instead of the sunset lines, a silhouette line of people and scopes? Think of it as what you'd see at one of our star parties as viewed from a short distance. If I were artistic enough, I'd make that up for my entry... maybe starting with Poster04. :) Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri May 20 18:02:38 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Prototype of PayPal Page In-Reply-To: <91C6CA0A-D11C-40AE-8E68-7902FCC550E6@nineplanets.org> References: <20050520025710.7ECAE7CB8@mail.whiteoaks.com> <91C6CA0A-D11C-40AE-8E68-7902FCC550E6@nineplanets.org> Message-ID: <428E88AE.9000900@aenet.net> Bill Arnett wrote: > Perhaps the board might also consider adding a PayPal donation button > on the website somewhere. It may be that a member from time to time > feels generous. Why not make it easy to act on such an impulse? I can't argue with that! :) I doesn't cost us anything to have that option there. Just so long as it isn't too crass. That is, I wouldn't want web visitors to feel that they're being hit up for money whenever they visit our web site. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Thu May 26 18:25:03 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] A couple of good membership suggestions from my wife Message-ID: <20050527012509.E74007ADA@mail.whiteoaks.com> 1. Have brochures not just business cards available at SJAA events. The brochures should have a membership application on the back. 2. Have signage that says this event is being hosted by SJAA. Both of these are good suggestions. I will try to cobble together a usable brochure by tomorrow. We can replace this in the future, but her idea is so good I would rather not wait 6 months before starting it. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri May 27 12:04:57 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] One suggestion to remove Clique perception Message-ID: <20050527190505.C3F017C49@mail.whiteoaks.com> The first time I went to the Yosemite star party was initially denied because all of the insiders had signed up before the event was announced. I suggest next year that "insiders" (organizer & president excluded) wait for a couple of days after the announcement to give regular members a fair shot. Rob Hawley