From pkohlmil at best.com Sun Jul 10 23:55:06 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Proofread Message-ID: <003c01c585e5$7c24aaf0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Summer is over! Well, not quite but the August Ephemeris is ready for review at http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0508/EphAug05.pdf and that means the calendar of events beyond the autumnal equinox is already being published. In this issue: a) The Dues increases are shown on the last page. b) The pull quote in Akkana's article on page 4 will probably be replaced with a graphic of some sort. c) We noted some events have been added in August - hope the language is okay. Please send comments by Wednesday 9 A.M. Thanks, Paul K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20050710/99fe0540/attachment.html From north at znet.com Mon Jul 11 01:13:16 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Proofread In-Reply-To: <003c01c585e5$7c24aaf0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> References: <003c01c585e5$7c24aaf0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <5818419c1da466f3e4dc1fb491a5ebbd@znet.com> > August Ephemeris is ready for review I took a glance at my article, but couldn't actually read it. First, I notice the title is carried over from last month rather than the one newly submitted. Second, the paragraph breaks are all missing. Consequently, the article turned into a far worse train of mush than intended. I expect plain-text line breaks and indents normally come through, but were they somehow lost? Do I need to resend in another format? Dave From jvn at svpal.org Mon Jul 11 14:03:44 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Proofread References: <003c01c585e5$7c24aaf0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <42D2DEB0.2E09@svpal.org> Paul Kohlmiller wrote: > > Summer is over! > Well, not quite but the August Ephemeris is ready for review at > http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0508/EphAug05.pdf A period missing at very end of Jane's article (after LA) at the bottom of page 2, column 3. In an earlier note, Dave North said his paragraph breaks had gotten lost. They look just fine to me. > b) The pull quote in Akkana's article on page 4 will probably be > replaced with a graphic of some sort. ?? What's a pull quote? OH! The little snippet set in big type?! I'd not met that term before. > c) We noted some events have been added in August - hope the language > is okay. Yes, the meteor observing -- looks okay. Now that I think of it, a small article might have been useful. I just added a few sentences to the calendar page (see bottom). Thanks for all your efforts. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association SJAA 2005 calendar From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 21:39:38 2005 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Proofread In-Reply-To: <003c01c585e5$7c24aaf0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Message-ID: <20050712043938.17334.qmail@web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Paul. I just got the email from Marian Chuang. I see that you have the issue well laid out, and there is not much expansion room to insert her abstract. But I think it would be nice to add a little bit, so that it will read: Our speaker for the August 20 general meeting will be Marian Chuang, systems engineer specialist for Lockheed Martin. She was involved in great projects such as Gravity Probe-B (Einstein's Theory of Relativity experiment) with Stanford University and SIRTF (Space Infrared Telescope Facility), which is now called Spitzer Space Telescope. Marian's topic is her current project: advanced planning to take us back to the Moon, and on to Mars. This involves the field of bioastronautics, which addresses the physiological effects of space flight, including microgravity, and the psychological considerations of long duration space missions. Thank you. -- David Smith --- Paul Kohlmiller wrote: > Summer is over! > Well, not quite but the August Ephemeris is ready > for review at > http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0508/EphAug05.pdf > and that means the calendar of events beyond the > autumnal equinox is already being published. > > In this issue: > a) The Dues increases are shown on the last page. > b) The pull quote in Akkana's article on page 4 will > probably be replaced with a graphic of some sort. > c) We noted some events have been added in August - > hope the language is okay. > > Please send comments by Wednesday 9 A.M. > Thanks, > Paul K> _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pkohlmil at best.com Mon Jul 11 23:38:28 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Message-ID: <000c01c586ac$51e07a90$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> A few minor changes have been made at: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0508/EphAug05.pdf Still planning to go to the printer's early Wednesday. Thanks Paul K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20050711/17cb4179/attachment.html From Paul.Kohlmiller at Sunclinical.com Tue Jul 12 08:11:10 2005 From: Paul.Kohlmiller at Sunclinical.com (Kohlmiller, Paul) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Proofread Message-ID: <67C1254C7F68D2118F9300A0C9EA07CC0136DCA3@SJ-NT-EX1> I think I can make this fit. But we did remove the Hogue Park directions and the Solar Stats sections. Board member names might be next! :-) -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:40 PM To: Business list for SJAA board of directors and members Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] August Ephemeris Proofread Hi, Paul. I just got the email from Marian Chuang. I see that you have the issue well laid out, and there is not much expansion room to insert her abstract. But I think it would be nice to add a little bit, so that it will read: Our speaker for the August 20 general meeting will be Marian Chuang, systems engineer specialist for Lockheed Martin. She was involved in great projects such as Gravity Probe-B (Einstein's Theory of Relativity experiment) with Stanford University and SIRTF (Space Infrared Telescope Facility), which is now called Spitzer Space Telescope. Marian's topic is her current project: advanced planning to take us back to the Moon, and on to Mars. This involves the field of bioastronautics, which addresses the physiological effects of space flight, including microgravity, and the psychological considerations of long duration space missions. Thank you. -- David Smith --- Paul Kohlmiller wrote: > Summer is over! > Well, not quite but the August Ephemeris is ready > for review at > http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0508/EphAug05.pdf > and that means the calendar of events beyond the > autumnal equinox is already being published. > > In this issue: > a) The Dues increases are shown on the last page. > b) The pull quote in Akkana's article on page 4 will > probably be replaced with a graphic of some sort. > c) We noted some events have been added in August - > hope the language is okay. > > Please send comments by Wednesday 9 A.M. > Thanks, > Paul K> _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jvn at svpal.org Wed Jul 13 17:05:22 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Speaking offer Message-ID: <42D5AC42.719F@svpal.org> Hi, Boardies, Here's an offer for a speaker -- I've heard Norm many times and enjoy his material and his style. Write him at . Read his web site at . Clear Skies (and calendars!) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site Astronomy's "Little Unification" A talk by Norm Sperling, author of What Your Astronomy Textbook Won't Tell You While cosmologists still hunt for "Grand Unification" of the forces of Nature, astronomers have figured out how everything from stars on down fit. They're not the sideshow of freaks we used to be taught. The categories were discovered in different ways at different times. "Planets" go around the Sun. "Moons" go around planets. Both labels only deal with objects' motions, and not with their components and processes - or even diameters, since 7 moons are bigger than Pluto, and 2 moons are even bigger than Mercury. Originally, "comet" meant "fuzzy" and "asteroid" meant "star-like", just from their appearance, not motions or components or processes. And "meteor" meant "in the air", with no clue about what it's made of. Space age research reveals that the Solar System's members are all cousins. They started with the same ingredients in the same nebula, and underwent related processes. The recipe for stars, planets, moons, asteroids, comets, and meteoroids is the same: "Take a Nebula, Condense and Stir." Their masses, and how hot they got inside, govern which processes made them the way they are today. When plotted by their masses, versus how hot they got, some of the old categories stand out. Comets (retaining original ices) plot together because they're frozen. Meteorites huddle together because (by cosmic standards) they're small. Stars shine in a top corner because they're hot and heavy. But "planets" includes some objects that are physically like brown-dwarf almost-stars, other objects more akin to the 7 big moons, and one cometary object. "Asteroids" have borderline-cases with comets, meteoroids, and moons. Small moons are probably captured asteroids and comets, not original equipment. So the terms "planet", "asteroid", and "moon" don't tell objects' physical nature or evolution. Those labels are outdated curiosities that get in the way of understanding. Norm Sperling teaches freshman astronomy at the University of California, Berkeley, and edits The Journal of Irreproducible Results, the Science Humor Magazine. He also speaks on "Irreproducible Results", and "What Your Astronomy Textbook Won't Tell You". This talk is available for your normal honorarium plus the opportunity to sell his magazine and book after the presentation. This program needs both a Carousel projector and an overhead projector. 413 Poinsettia Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94403 ? 650-573-7125 www.everythingintheuniv.com ? nsperling@california.com From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 10:36:53 2005 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Speaking offer In-Reply-To: <42D5AC42.719F@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20050715173653.73936.qmail@web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK, got it. Thanks, Jim. -- David --- Jim Van Nuland wrote: > Hi, Boardies, > > Here's an offer for a speaker -- I've heard Norm > many times and enjoy > his material and his style. Write him at > . > Read his web site at . > > Clear Skies (and calendars!) > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical > Association > JVN's web > site > > > Astronomy's "Little Unification" > A talk by Norm Sperling, author of What Your > Astronomy > Textbook Won't Tell You > > While cosmologists still hunt for "Grand > Unification" > of the forces of Nature, astronomers have figured > out how > everything from stars on down fit. They're not the > sideshow of freaks we used to be taught. > > The categories were discovered in different > ways at > different times. "Planets" go around the Sun. > "Moons" go > around planets. Both labels only deal with objects' > motions, and not with their components and processes > - or > even diameters, since 7 moons are bigger than Pluto, > and 2 > moons are even bigger than Mercury. Originally, > "comet" > meant "fuzzy" and "asteroid" meant "star-like", just > from > their appearance, not motions or components or > processes. > And "meteor" meant "in the air", with no clue about > what > it's made of. > > Space age research reveals that the Solar > System's > members are all cousins. They started with the same > ingredients in the same nebula, and underwent > related > processes. The recipe for stars, planets, moons, > asteroids, comets, and meteoroids is the same: > "Take a > Nebula, Condense and Stir." > > Their masses, and how hot they got inside, > govern > which processes made them the way they are today. > When > plotted by their masses, versus how hot they got, > some of > the old categories stand out. Comets (retaining > original > ices) plot together because they're frozen. > Meteorites > huddle together because (by cosmic standards) > they're > small. Stars shine in a top corner because they're > hot and > heavy. > > But "planets" includes some objects that are > physically like brown-dwarf almost-stars, other > objects > more akin to the 7 big moons, and one cometary > object. > "Asteroids" have borderline-cases with comets, > meteoroids, > and moons. Small moons are probably captured > asteroids and > comets, not original equipment. So the terms > "planet", > "asteroid", and "moon" don't tell objects' physical > nature > or evolution. Those labels are outdated curiosities > that > get in the way of understanding. > > > Norm Sperling teaches freshman astronomy at the > University > of California, Berkeley, and edits The Journal of > Irreproducible Results, the Science Humor Magazine. > He > also speaks on "Irreproducible Results", and "What > Your > Astronomy Textbook Won't Tell You". This talk is > available > for your normal honorarium plus the opportunity to > sell his > magazine and book after the presentation. This > program > needs both a Carousel projector and an overhead > projector. > > 413 Poinsettia Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94403 ? > 650-573-7125 > www.everythingintheuniv.com ? > nsperling@california.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 15 10:42:30 2005 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Out of town Message-ID: <20050715174230.17217.qmail@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will be out of town, and will miss the board meeting and general meeting next weekend. Could someone else intro the speaker for me? Below is an email he sent that has a URL to his talk. -- David --- Richard Crisp wrote: > From: "Richard Crisp" > To: "Michael Koop" > CC: > Subject: Re: SJAA speakers > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:56:32 -0700 > > July sounds great Mike. I am delighted you would > like to have me speak. > Since I have a talk already put together and it was > very well received I > would like to get a bit more mileage out of it and > will probably beef it up > a tad. > > Yes, I will be at the AANC conference in late > August. I understand that I > will be sharing the stage with Timothy Ferris. I'm > really honored to be even > in the presence of such a luminary :-) > > Let me know the exact date and I will mark it on my > calendar. It will be a > Saturday night, right? > > best regards > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Koop" > To: "Richard Crisp" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: SJAA speakers > > > > You bet. > > Actually, I have been meaning to ask you for the > last year or so. > > The SFAA just beat me to it. > > > > Dave Smith it the one who schedules our programs. > > I have cced him also. > > > > I noticed you are also scheduled to speak at the > AANC conference at the > > end of August. So I do not know if it would be > better for you to speak in > > July (we are currently booked for May and June) or > later in the year. > > > > Thanks for the email. > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Richard Crisp wrote: > > > >> Hi Mike > >> > >> I don't know if you are interested or not but I > recently gave a talk to > >> the SFAA regarding tricolor emission line imaging > of nebulae that was > >> very well received. > >> > >> I would be interested in giving a similar talk > with some enhancements to > >> the SFAA. > >> > >> I would imagine your schedule is pretty booked up > for the coming months > >> but wanted to suggest it nonetheless. > >> > >> You can see the talk here: > >> > >> > http://www.narrowbandimaging.com/narrowband_emission_line_imaging_talk_page.htm > >> > >> Thanks for your consideration > >> Richard > >> > >> > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri Jul 22 11:47:26 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] July Membership counts Message-ID: <20050722184732.463787BF0@mail.whiteoaks.com> Good news for the first time since I took over. Our paid membership is up to 275. Also all members with a May expiration have now renewed. Finally, we have 11 new members since the last meeting. There are still 11 from June that have not renewed. See the discussion on these from last month. Current membership Report Date 7/20/2005 May-05 0 June-05 11 July-05 7 August-05 16 Sept-05 18 October-05 18 November-05 9 December-05 16 January-06 21 February-06 18 March-06 20 April-06 14 May-06 23 June-06 60 July-06 15 August-06 8 more than 13 months 12 complementary 27 expiring 11 paid(current) 275 email delivery 12 Labels Generated 301 S&T Members 168 New Members since last meeting 11 current + complementary 302 *********Member duration************* paid only 2005 25 2004 57 2003 45 2002 23 2001 7 2000 1 < 2000 45 Specified 203 74% Not Specified 72 total 275 *********Expired Members************ expired since Dec 04 (not including ex-compl) 2005 0 2004 18 2003 15 2002 3 2001 0 2000 0 < 2000 0 Specified 36 60% Not Specified 24 total 60 ******* Count History *************** 12/15/2004 311 285 26 11 1/19/2005 308 284 24 5 2/23/2005 304 279 25 3 3/25/2005 303 279 24 5 4/19/2005 303 277 26 3 5/18/2005 294 268 26 4 6/15/2005 296 270 26 3 6/20/2005 302 275 27 11 Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri Jul 22 11:54:52 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar registration update Message-ID: <20050722185457.2D5F37BF0@mail.whiteoaks.com> Registration opened on time July 15. People were waiting at the gate. To date we have 31 registrations for a total of 44 people. Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Sat Jul 23 14:29:42 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Absence at Board meeting, July 23 Message-ID: <42E2B6C6.52FB@svpal.org> Hi, Boardies, I'll be late tonight, if at all. The family get-together Saturday afternoon will run into early evening. I may be at the general meeting, but not the Board meeting. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 14:52:16 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Non member text Message-ID: <20050724215221.813F878D6@mail.whiteoaks.com> This is an example of the text I am talking about. I made a small change in the PayPal membership page and a more significant change in the brochure. I like the brochure text the best. It makes clear we welcome the public and at the same time emphasizes that we exist only due to the support of our members. Website The various meetings and activities are open to all who are interested. One needn't be a member to attend and to bring guests; one "belongs" when one shares the interests of the group, so don't feel you must pay dues in order to be welcome. Old Manual Membership Page Before we talk about membership, please note that all activities are open to all who are interested, and you are most welcome to come along and participate in any and all of them. Be assured that you are most welcome at all observing sessions. The only thing amateur astronomers like better than looking through their telescopes is to have other people look through their telescopes! If you DO decide to join, you can print out the form below and send it by snail mail. Or you can save a stamp by giving it to one of our officer sat one of our meetings or star parties. The yearly dues include some very practical benefits: eligibility for our loaner scope program, use of the SJAA mailing list, regular receipt of our bulletin, the SJAA Ephemeris and an optional reduced subscription rate to Sky & Telescope magazine In addition, members may vote in club elections and hold office. New (5/20) Membership Page Before we talk about membership, please note that all activities are open to all who are interested, and you are most welcome to come along and participate in any and all of them. Be assured that you are most welcome at all observing sessions. The only thing amateur astronomers like better than looking through their telescopes is to have other people look through their telescopes! {Note: paragraph "If you DO" is missing} The annual dues include some very practical benefits: eligibility for our loaner scope program, use of the SJAA mailing list, regular receipt of our bulletin, the SJAA Ephemeris and an optional reduced subscription rate to Sky & Telescope magazine. Members may vote in club elections and hold office. Finally you will be supporting SJAA's programs. Brochure Text from back of brochure SJAA makes all of its activities available to the general public. We can do that only because people support us by becoming members. You can help the club continue these activities by becoming a member. I will publish the complete brochure later in the day. Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Sun Jul 24 15:54:29 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Non member text References: <20050724215221.813F878D6@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <42E41C25.4A67@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: > > This is an example of the text I am talking about. I made a small > change in the PayPal membership page and a more significant change in > the brochure. Okay change in the membership page. I'd written that over 20 years ago, and it's still in use. Remarkable. > If you DO decide to join, you can print out the form below I emphasized the Anyone Welcome aspect because I'd not infrequently gotten questions about that: "Do I need to be a member to come to a meeting?" It still comes up. I continue to feel VERY strongly about open meetings! > Brochure Text from back of brochure > > SJAA makes all of its activities available to the general public. > We can do that only because people support us by becoming members. > You can help the club continue these activities by becoming a member. As long as it's obvious that non-members are welcome. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 16:59:17 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Non member text In-Reply-To: <42E41C25.4A67@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20050724235922.9162C7D40@mail.whiteoaks.com> My presentation at the board meeting was that some of our text dissuades people from joining. No one wants to close the club to members only. The text needs to balance our desire to have open events with the need to have members join to support them. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Jim Van Nuland Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:54 PM To: Business list for SJAA board of directors and members Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] Non member text Rob Hawley wrote: > > This is an example of the text I am talking about. I made a small > change in the PayPal membership page and a more significant change in > the brochure. Okay change in the membership page. I'd written that over 20 years ago, and it's still in use. Remarkable. > If you DO decide to join, you can print out the form below I emphasized the Anyone Welcome aspect because I'd not infrequently gotten questions about that: "Do I need to be a member to come to a meeting?" It still comes up. I continue to feel VERY strongly about open meetings! > Brochure Text from back of brochure > > SJAA makes all of its activities available to the general public. > We can do that only because people support us by becoming members. > You can help the club continue these activities by becoming a member. As long as it's obvious that non-members are welcome. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 17:38:16 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August version of the brochure Message-ID: <20050725003821.1284E8445@mail.whiteoaks.com> This is updated for the dues increase and the calendar extends to October http://www.sjaa.net/rh/SJAAbrochureAug05.pdf Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 18:02:26 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] "Final" draft of New Member Guide Message-ID: <20050725010231.07C4C8207@mail.whiteoaks.com> I suggest you use the latest version of Acrobat Reader. That way all of the features will work http://www.sjaa.net/rh/New_Member_Guide.pdf The PDF converter I bought preserves all of the internal and external hyperlinks. Thus the document is as fully interactive as a web page yet you can reasonably print it. That seems like a good compromise. I await a decision to reproduce this document and distribute it. Rob Hawley From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Jul 25 02:22:30 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Non member text In-Reply-To: <20050724215221.813F878D6@mail.whiteoaks.com> References: <20050724215221.813F878D6@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <42E4AF56.6000705@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > This is an example of the text I am talking about. I made a small change in > the PayPal membership page and a more significant change in the brochure. I > like the brochure text the best. It makes clear we welcome the public and at > the same time emphasizes that we exist only due to the support of our > members. > > Website > > The various meetings and activities are open to all who are interested. One > needn't be a member to attend and to bring guests; one "belongs" when one > shares the interests of the group, so don't feel you must pay dues in order > to be welcome. > > > Old Manual Membership Page > > Before we talk about membership, please note that all activities are open to > all who are interested, and you are most welcome to come along and > participate in any and all of them. Be assured that you are most welcome at > all observing sessions. The only thing amateur astronomers like better than > looking through their telescopes is to have other people look through their > telescopes! > > If you DO decide to join, you can print out the form below and send it by > snail mail. Or you can save a stamp by giving it to one of our officer sat > one of our meetings or star parties. > > The yearly dues include some very practical benefits: eligibility for our > loaner scope program, use of the SJAA mailing list, regular receipt of our > bulletin, the SJAA Ephemeris and an optional reduced subscription rate to > Sky & Telescope magazine In addition, members may vote in club elections and > hold office. > > > New (5/20) Membership Page > > Before we talk about membership, please note that all activities are open to > all who are interested, and you are most welcome to come along and > participate in any and all of them. Be assured that you are most welcome at > all observing sessions. The only thing amateur astronomers like better than > looking through their telescopes is to have other people look through their > telescopes! I have a problem with this paragraph from an editorial perspective. It's awkward. That second sentence seems redundant. While we're at it, how about cleaning this up too? > {Note: paragraph "If you DO" is missing} Why not just replace "If you DO decide to join," with simply: "To join the SJAA,". I don't see any need to omit the rest of that paragraph, just that first bit. And I'd add something about joining on our web page too. Gary From jvn at svpal.org Mon Jul 25 17:45:04 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] "Final" draft of New Member Guide References: <20050725010231.07C4C8207@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <42E58790.67@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: > http://www.sjaa.net/rh/New_Member_Guide.pdf Hi, Rob. I have three items and a nitpick. (1) Under TAC on page 10. " ... is not a club, per sea." !! It's spelled "per se." Or you could say "... is not a traditional club." (2) On page 5 you list public star parties and mention Villa Montalvo. V.M. is not public; it costs mucho dinero, $95 in fact. And we're not the sponsor. Please list Calero County Park instead. It IS public. Presently there's no admission fee. If there were, it'd be a few dollars. Even there, the park is the sponsor. I would remove "... sponsors star parties..." and substitute something like "... assists at star parties...". (3) You mention the PAS; that's good. Should you also mention EAS, who is the main club that sets up scopes at Chabot for public nights? PAS is the next club up the peninsula; EAS is the next up the contra costa (other coast). (Nitpick) On page 21 we talk about buying a first telescope. What?? You don't like my Dad's phrase "Make haste slowly..."? Oh, well, "Don't rush to buy..." is okay too ... I suppose ... mumble. Oh, well, it's still on my advice page at . Is this really an obscure phrase? Only one other time has anyone questioned it. Summing up: I like it. Thirty years, at many editions, and most of my words are still there and relevant. BTW -- that booklet was intended to be a one-page article for the Ephemeris, just a bit of etiquette and advice. My pen forcibly took over my hand, and insisted on scribbling what came to 10 typewritten pages, all in one marathon session. Clear Skies (and words!) -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jvn at svpal.org Mon Jul 25 17:06:35 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August version of the brochure References: <20050725003821.1284E8445@mail.whiteoaks.com> Message-ID: <42E57E8B.1C7B@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: > > This is updated for the dues increase and the calendar extends to October > > http://www.sjaa.net/rh/SJAAbrochureAug05.pdf Looks good. On the page where you encourage people to join, should you list some of the benefits (newsletter, loaners, etc.)? -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Jul 27 12:41:13 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Insurance renewal Message-ID: <20050727194121.CC0A878D4@mail.whiteoaks.com> Picked it up from the box this morning. $1,140 I took a quick look at it. The date they have for CalStar is wrong. We should inform them in writing of the correct date. I will give the package to Gary at Houge on Friday. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Jul 27 15:10:19 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Yosemite Posters Message-ID: <20050727221024.2915B876B@mail.whiteoaks.com> Is anyone going up to Yosemite on Thursday? We need someone to visit the valley and put up the posters Rhea made for us. I don't think I am going to be able to. The alternative is to FedEx them to the ranger in charge and hope he puts them up. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Thu Jul 28 07:41:37 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Notice: All mail list archives are public Message-ID: <20050728144142.0B7B07E2C@mail.whiteoaks.com> This is to make sure everyone knows that the list archives are public. They are scanned by the web robots (e.g. Google). I just got my second request to delete private personal information was inappropriately put in mail list posts. I would have similar objections if information of my own was ever posted and would also demand its removal. Permanently removing information from the list archives is difficult and requires us to ask the site administrator to do it for us. In all future posts please remember that any information posted is public. Do not post to these mail lists if you object to your email address being public. Certainly do not post any information about 3rd parties including their address or phone number without the permission of the 3rd party. Many, including myself, would not give such permission. We do not publish nor is there anyway to discover list members. Thus merely receiving information from the lists is completely safe. Rob Hawley From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Thu Jul 28 17:14:21 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA Liability Insurance for 05/06 Message-ID: <20050728181030.R26951@koopm.best.vwh.net> A off list message was sent to the board members of the SJAA which included a link to the policy since the policy contains proprietary information of the insurance company. If anyone is interested in seeing the policy, please send me an email and I will forward the link to you as long as you do not share the information contained with anyone. Mike From robhawley at earthlink.net Thu Jul 28 19:44:46 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Prototype new PayPal Page Message-ID: <20050729024451.403B11AE9@mail.whiteoaks.com> This will go active some time on Monday (replacing the current page). I need comments tomorrow since that will be the last chance for me to spend time on this before then. http://www.sjaa.net/rh/SJAAmembership.html Note that we now have the donate button as requested. I also have a way to gather the phone number, but it is rather lame and I doubt I will collect many. This is a limitation of the tools. I plan to modify the manual page as follows "If you DO decide to join, you can print out the form below " "To join please print the form below " An alternative is preface the text above with the following (from the brochure) "We can only provide these activities because people support us by becoming members. You can help the club continue these activities by becoming a member. ..." Unless hear otherwise I will only make the first change. Rob Hawley From bill.oshaughnessy at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 14:57:22 2005 From: bill.oshaughnessy at gmail.com (Bill O'Shaughnessy) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Insurance for the SJAA Board Message-ID: <7b25840105072914572049dca0@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I think we should pay the extra $700 to cover the board. Quite often law suits puncture the corporate protection and go after the board members because they have more money and insurance then the club itself. Maybe we should spend a couple of hundred dollars to to get a legal opinion on this. I don't have a defined benefit retirement, so I don't feel comfortable putting my retirement funds at risk, even if that risk is small. Comments are appreciated. Bill O. From wb6yru at aenet.net Sat Jul 30 04:39:02 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Insurance for the SJAA Board In-Reply-To: <7b25840105072914572049dca0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b25840105072914572049dca0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42EB66D6.5040006@aenet.net> Bill O'Shaughnessy wrote: > Hello All, > I think we should pay the extra $700 to cover the board. > Quite often law suits puncture the corporate protection > and go after the board members because they have more > money and insurance then the club itself. > > Maybe we should spend a couple of hundred dollars to > to get a legal opinion on this. > > I don't have a defined benefit retirement, so I don't feel comfortable > putting my retirement funds at risk, even if that risk is small. > > Comments are appreciated. > > Bill O. First of all, I think it's important to keep in mind that this is a just a small club. We're already paying *well* over a grand per year for insurance. That's a lot of money for a club this size. Now you're proposing another $700 per year. That alone represents $2.54 per member, (at last count). If we do this, we'll be get'n kinda close to having to raise the dues again. I've got property and assets too. So, I fully understand where you're coming from. However, based on what I've read and learned about these things, and without being a lawyer, I don't see the risk that you seem to be seeing. I'm in another club where I won't hold any elected office. I don't feel comfortable with my personal risk there. However, in this club, I don't see a reasonable chance of "piercing the corporate veil" in a law suit. If we're ready to throw another $700/year at this, perhaps a one-time expense of a couple of hundred on a lawyer to answer all these questions and put our minds to rest might be money well spent. Does anyone know a good corporate lawyer knowledgeable in non-profits? Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Sun Jul 31 15:50:20 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] star party publicity Message-ID: <42ED55AC.2010506@aenet.net> Who is currently working on publicity for our public star parties? Jim? Rob? In the July 25 Mercury is a separate Calendar section ("Your guide to bay area events") listing clubs, museums, fairs, music, events, theater, etc. Have we tried that? It looks like it's free and almost anything can be listed. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 31 16:52:20 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] star party publicity In-Reply-To: <42ED55AC.2010506@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20050731235229.65C127F67@mail.whiteoaks.com> >Who is currently working on publicity for our public star parties? Jim? Rob? I am. Yes we have, but this week I discovered that each of the weekly events papers has a different editor. So try, try again. Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Sun Jul 31 23:23:50 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:28 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] star party publicity References: <42ED55AC.2010506@aenet.net> Message-ID: <42EDBFF6.6A7B@svpal.org> Gary Mitchell wrote: > > Who is currently working on publicity for our public star > parties? Jim? Rob? > In the July 25 Mercury is a separate Calendar section That section replaced "Venturing" that used to be in the sports section on Thursdays. The new thing wants 3 weeks lead time, whereas Venturing wanted just 3 days. I've been sending 3-week notices to with no results. The first time I also copied the old address. Venturing was very reliable. This new thing is trying to be everything to everybody, and I fear it'll be nothing to anybody. Boo. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site