From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 7 23:11:08 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] How many coffee houses are near Houge Park? Message-ID: Well all of the Starbucks within 3 miles of Houge that have a Bulletin Board now have a copy of the Poster http://www.sjaa.net/rh/Poster.pdf I also hit most independent stores. My first reaction is not to be blown away. Many of the BBs are stuck in the back near the toilets. But I was at first not very excited about the one at Le Boulanger in Los Gatos, but as I was putting up the poster two women took tear-offs for their husbands. I noticed that many of the food places in Los Gatos have BBs also. I will print some more Posters and walk the street next week. One is also up in the Almaden Starbucks that is sucking my wallet dry. Craig also suggested that the main web page was a little busy for this bullet-item obsessed world. At his suggestion I created a new page http://www.sjaa.net/gotstars/ that has an easily read Fall Schedule and directions to Houge and Coyote. Note that you have to rummage around on the main site to find Coyote (it is under "other sites" ). It would be useful if the main page linked to gotstars so the web robots could find it. ****OFFICIAL CROW CONSUMPTION****** I guess I get to eat some crow concerning the tear offs. At two of the places a tear-off was gone before I left the building. None of the managers objected. So kudos to Craig for being persistent. Rob Hawley BTW the answer is 10 have BBs. One asked me to come back since Starbucks are supposed to have BBs and their store did not. The thing that really speaks to my coffee addition is that I have at some point patronized each of the stores. From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Fri Sep 9 13:07:26 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] I'm Back Message-ID: <20050909140414.C12404@koopm.best.vwh.net> Who has the key for the Houge Park Star Party tonight? I also need to get the ATM material back for the class on Saturday night? How did the last two ATM classes go? Mike From jvn at svpal.org Fri Sep 9 16:26:39 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] I'm Back References: <20050909140414.C12404@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <43221A2F.526@svpal.org> Michael Koop wrote: > > Who has the key for the Houge Park Star Party tonight? I have the video projector. The screen is in the back room. Bob's class went well. I didn't count, but I'd guesstimate 20 to 25 people. I believe Gary has the key and ATM stuff. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Sat Sep 10 00:01:04 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] I'm Back In-Reply-To: <20050909140414.C12404@koopm.best.vwh.net> References: <20050909140414.C12404@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <432284B0.90503@aenet.net> Michael Koop wrote: > Who has the key for the Houge Park Star Party tonight? > I also need to get the ATM material back for the class on Saturday night? > How did the last two ATM classes go? Obviously I didn't see this before the star party... The last ATM class had one person, but the previous one had three, if I'm remembering correctly. I'll bring the stuff to the next class on Saturday. Gary From pkohlmil at best.com Sun Sep 11 00:37:52 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] October Ephemeris Proofread Message-ID: <001401c5b6a3$b95b4ca0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> Dear Ephemeris readers, Attached is the October issue of the Ephemeris. We intend to send this to the printer on Monday morning. The issue is at http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0510/EphOct05.pdf After Monday morning, we will be on vacation for a week and will have limited access to e-mail at best. Thanks, PK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The issue is at http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0510/EphOct05.pdf After Monday morning, we will be on vacation for a week and will have limited access to e-mail at best. Thanks, PK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20050911/007b7174/attachment.html From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Mon Sep 12 19:51:19 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar for 2006 -- and three errors fixed In-Reply-To: <430697F5.28FB@svpal.org> References: <43050E7B.20AD@svpal.org> <20050819174859.I75960@koopm.best.vwh.net> <430697F5.28FB@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20050912202847.P48480@koopm.best.vwh.net> I have posted the PDF with all the Sun rise/set, moon rise/set, and nautical twilight times for Houge Park. http://koopm.best.vwh.net/SJAA2006.PDF This is probably the easiest scheduling year I have seen so far. Everything fell into place rather quickly, with not too many decisions to make with holidays and what not. Some corrections to Jim's list that I have found... A) Add a Houge Star Party on June 30th. I realize that it is a the beginning of a holiday weekend, but there would be a large break ( 4 week ) until the next one. I have seen holiday weekends Friday nights with large and little attendance. Usually it just depends on what the weather is doing. If there is a front coming thru over the weekend, people will just skip Houge and go to a darker site. We also have a Houge Park scheduled for Thanksgiving Friday. I have seen these well attended also. B) The ATM Class is November 25th, not the 35th. C) Calstar is scheduled on the new moon between Sept. 15 and Oct. 15, with preference given to the Oct. date in an attempt to avoid the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, every other year or so. So, Calstar for 2006 is Sept. 21 to Sept 24. Unfortunately, Rosh Hashanah falls on Sat. Sept. 23rd, but we missed it in 2004 and 2005. Mike On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Jim Van Nuland wrote: > JVN wrote; >>> In particular, I've put the Auction a week earlier > > Michael Koop wrote: >> Could you please check to see if Saturday is available again? >> Would we want to change it from a Sunday? > > No, no. Not after the burning we've taken, and the general success > with Sundays. I'd much rather compromise once in a while than deal with > the incompetence in that program. Yes, they are out of there just now, > but could be back any time. > > >>> mirror-making workshop ... Shall we have one on December 30? >>> Shall we have a class on Dec.8? > >> Plan these for now. We can always cancel them. > > Agreed. Done. BUT see below; the 8th gotta get moved down a week. > > >> I find the calendar difficult to do with out all the information that I >> put into the calendar I make. Only then do we find that you may have >> scheduled a Houge during a 90 percent moon or something like that. > > Oh, yes -- it's impossible without the moon ages! I start by making > up the big sheet, then putting in the four moon phases. After that I > can see where the dates come, but even so, the moon can rise or set > anomalously early, so the times are needed in some cases. Example: > Dec.8 is 4 days after full, but the moon rises at 8:46 pm. Depends on > the angle of the ecliptic, and the peri- and apogees. > > SOME ERRORS -- > > Re-checking on dark nights, I find a too-early moonrise on July 14. > Change it to 21. This applies to the class, too. > > Move Dec.8 to Dec.15, star party and class. The 8th has FM+4, but the > moon is up before 10. > > AND, re-checking on moony nights, I find that I failed to enter > Sept.29, 1Q-1 day. > > > YES, I really need other people checking on all this stuff. > > Clear Skies (and schedules!) > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association > 2006 tabular calendar> > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From jvn at svpal.org Tue Sep 13 14:26:08 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar for 2006 -- and three errors fixed References: <43050E7B.20AD@svpal.org> <20050819174859.I75960@koopm.best.vwh.net> <430697F5.28FB@svpal.org> <20050912202847.P48480@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <432743F0.4590@svpal.org> Michael Koop wrote: > > I have posted the PDF with all the Sun rise/set, moon rise/set, and > nautical twilight times for Houge Park. > > http://koopm.best.vwh.net/SJAA2006.PDF As always, an amazing job. Thanks! I'll be working on the detailed monthly sections of year2006.htm and will make use of these times. I've incorporated the corrections, and turned on the link from the hotline page to the new year2006.htm page. The latter is marked "semi-final" with a warning that dates can change. > Some corrections to Jim's list that I have found... > A) Add a Houge Star Party on June 30th. A typo on my part. I'd written it on the Big Calendar. > B) The ATM Class is November 25th, not the 35th. Whew! I was struggling with that -- trying to paste a loop of dates (31-35) onto the Big Calendar, in the way that the rare earth elements are pasted into the periodic table. I'd even asked Michael Detweiler for help.... > C) Calstar is scheduled on the new moon between Sept. 15 and Oct. 15, > with preference given to the Oct. date in an attempt to avoid the > Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, every other year or so. So, Calstar > for 2006 is Sept. 21 to Sept 24. Unfortunately, Rosh Hashanah falls on > Sat. Sept. 23rd, but we missed it in 2004 and 2005. Done. I'll keep that explanation for next year. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 14 13:35:45 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Report on CalStar Reservations Message-ID: Counts for CalStar 2005 as of 1:30 PM on 9/14/05 Number of Registered Participants 116 Where Staying cabin.in.park 5 camping.casual.area 40 camping.dark.area 53 rv.observing.area 11 outside.park 7 Meals Friday none 68 59% chicken 12 tri.tip 32 veggie 4 Meals: Saturday none 61 53% turkey 15 sirlion 34 veggie 6 total meals 103 Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 14 13:49:27 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sept membership counts Message-ID: Membership is up again thanks to the continued influx of new members. The club turnover continues to amaze me since we currently have 60 expired members in the database. These memberships expired within the last year. There are currently 10 members that are past due. ******************Expiration Month Histogram*************** This is how many memberships expire in each month Last SJAA Meeting 8/29/2005 Report Date 9/14/2005 Jul-05 4 Aug-05 6 Sep-05 9 Oct-05 17 Nov-05 8 Dec-05 16 Jan-06 21 Feb-06 18 Mar-06 20 Apr-06 14 May-06 23 Jun-06 67 Jul-06 18 Aug-06 24 Sep-06 20 Oct-06 2 more than 13 months 9 complementary 29 expiring 10 paid(current) 286 email delivery 12 Labels Generated 313 S&T Members 177 New Members since last meeting 5 current + complementary 315 ********Year Joined Club***************** This is when members joined. paid only 2005 40 2004 54 2003 41 2002 23 2001 8 2000 1 < 2000 119 ************Who quit******************* This is the year that members who did not renew their membership first joined. Thus we lost about 1/3 of the 2004 members and about half of the 2003 members. 2005 0 2004 19 2003 19 2002 3 2001 0 2000 0 < 2000 22 **********Count History*************** Total Paid Comp New 12/15/2004 311 285 26 11 1/19/2005 308 284 24 5 2/23/2005 304 279 25 3 3/25/2005 303 279 24 5 4/19/2005 303 277 26 3 5/18/2005 294 268 26 4 6/15/2005 296 270 26 3 7/20/2005 302 275 27 11 8/17/2005 311 282 29 10 9/14/2005 315 286 29 5 Rob Hawley From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Sep 14 21:55:45 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sept membership counts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4328FED1.8020204@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > ********Year Joined Club***************** > > This is when members joined. > paid only > 2005 40 > 2004 54 > 2003 41 > 2002 23 > 2001 8 > 2000 1 > < 2000 119 I'd say those 119 are where our real core membership lies. New people come and go, but it's worse if the old timers don't renew. Gary From jvn at svpal.org Thu Sep 15 22:12:40 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] My absence, Sep.18 - 26 Message-ID: <432A5448.4930@svpal.org> Hi, All, One of my sisters and her husband will be visiting from Wisconsin, from Sep.18 - 26. So I'll be mostly unavailable during that time. I'll be out of town the first few days, then back in San Jose. We'll be doing some day trips the rest of the time. I'll try to keep up on my e-mail throughout, but perhaps not every day. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Fri Sep 16 02:12:58 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Observer Handbooks and Calendars Message-ID: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> It's that time again... The RASC Observer Handbooks and calendars are becoming available right about now. Last year we ordered 50 Handbooks and 35 calendars. How many this year? I plan to bring this up at the board meeting Saturday, so if anyone knows of some bulk orders, now is the time. Kenneth Frank from the SFAA club is talking about ordering through the SJAA. I don't know how many they want, but last year they got something like a dozen of each, if I remember correctly. Paul Kohlmiller said he wants about 35 calendars for his Project Astro class, (what a nice guy!). So, we may be able to hit the 100 price break for calendars. If we hit the 100 break on the calendars, I recommend that we lower our price on those. (Last year the board decided that this is a service to the membership as much as a fund raiser, so we're not after top dollar.) For people placing bulk orders, like Paul and Kenneth, I don't have a problem letting them pay our cost. Anyone disagree? The price breaks for the RASC Observer's Handbook are 10-25 at $16.95 ea, 25-99 at $15.70 ea, and 100+ at $14.95 each. For the RASC calendars it's 10-24 at $8.95 each, 25-99 at $7.70 each, and 100+ at $6.95 each. Gary Mitchell From north at znet.com Fri Sep 16 07:36:00 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Observer Handbooks and Calendars In-Reply-To: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> References: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> Message-ID: Gary Mitchell wrote: > For people placing bulk orders, like Paul and Kenneth, I don't have a > problem letting them pay our cost. Anyone disagree? I'd round up to the nearest dollar. They probably would find that reasonable. Dave From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 12:56:03 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners Message-ID: I have gotten a lot of flack on the cost of dinners at CalStar. The vendor raised their prices by $2 again this year. With the $2 we add that brings the cost of the meal up to the level of a fine restaurant. The result is that are participation this year is running at 40% for the first night and 50% for the second night (as of Wednesday). The $2 was intended to cover the cost of no-shows and our deposit. Should we just pass along the price of the meal without a surcharge? I would still charge a surcharge on any walk-in business. That would mean we would eat $125 plus any no-shows or the night cancellation deposit. AANC would also eat the $125 unless we decided to return their money. At this late date I am torn whether to do anything or not. Next year we need to either find a new vendor or bag the BBQ. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 13:04:01 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Poor proofreading The result is that are participation ==> The result is that our participation Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Rob Hawley Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:56 PM To: Sjaaboard Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners I have gotten a lot of flack on the cost of dinners at CalStar. The vendor raised their prices by $2 again this year. With the $2 we add that brings the cost of the meal up to the level of a fine restaurant. The result is that are participation this year is running at 40% for the first night and 50% for the second night (as of Wednesday). The $2 was intended to cover the cost of no-shows and our deposit. Should we just pass along the price of the meal without a surcharge? I would still charge a surcharge on any walk-in business. That would mean we would eat $125 plus any no-shows or the night cancellation deposit. AANC would also eat the $125 unless we decided to return their money. At this late date I am torn whether to do anything or not. Next year we need to either find a new vendor or bag the BBQ. Rob Hawley _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From jvn at svpal.org Fri Sep 16 13:40:50 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Observer Handbooks and Calendars References: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> Message-ID: <432B2DD2.E78@svpal.org> Gary Mitchell wrote: > Kenneth Frank from the SFAA club is talking about ordering > through the SJAA. Ken is also a member of SJAA. > For people placing bulk orders, like Paul and Kenneth, I > don't have a problem letting them pay our cost. I agree. Pro-rate the postage, perhaps. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From jvn at svpal.org Fri Sep 16 13:51:48 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners References: Message-ID: <432B3064.7389@svpal.org> Rob Hawley wrote: > At this late date I am torn whether to do anything or not. Next > year we need to either find a new vendor or bag the BBQ. I presume you intended to say "banquet" rather than "BBQ". But that may be the answer. Potluck or BBQ seem to be popular, and are both much less costly and much more flexible. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From craigus at rocketmail.com Fri Sep 16 18:45:27 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August 20 mtg notes In-Reply-To: <430D5AFC.4040407@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20050917014527.26264.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> The below 2 corrections have been applied to the meeting notes which follow lower on the page... > > Coyote Park Star Party > > -Need someone to show up for Saturday the 30th of > this > > month. Gary says he can show up, but he will not be > > setting up a barbeque. > > That should be Aug. 27. The 30th is the following > Tuesday. > > Gary > > Paul Zorokowski has been approached about coming to > > one > > of our regular meetings to give a talk about testing > > mirrors. > > That's Paul Zurakowski. > -- David ============================================== Aug 20, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig Scull ============================================== --------------------- Board Members Present --------------------- Jim Van Nuland Gary Mitchell Craig Scull Rob Hawley Bill O?Schaughnessy Gordon Reade David Smith Mike Koop not present, but excused Dana Crom not present, but excused --------------- Meeting minutes --------------- Minutes were approved from the last meeting. Rob passed a motion to approve the minutes, the motion was seconded. ---------------------- Treasury Report (Gary) ---------------------- 1st General fund of $5,000 is in a 6 month CD (3.05% APR) 2nd General fund of $5,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) Observatory fund of $3,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) $4,446.74 currently showing in the checkbook $ 401.16 was in the last savings statement (.15% APR) The annual financial report from last year was emailed to the board ---------------------------------------------- Membership Report (Rob) + Membership Reduction ---------------------------------------------- ? Insert from Rob?s email Rob has created a flyer that he will put up on Starbucks? bulletin boards. Craig will offer some feedback how to improve the readability of the flyer. ---------------------------------- Loaner Scope Program Report (Mike) ---------------------------------- Mike not present, no updates ------------------------------------------- Observational Astronomy Class Report (Mike) ------------------------------------------- Mike not present, no updates ---------------- ATM Class (Mike) ---------------- Gary was given materials and a key from Mike. There was some discussion around the frequency of the classes, either being once a week (as suggested by Gordon) or once every two weeks. A once a week schedule seems like it would give people more momentum. Gordon mentions that he could volunteer to run a once a week schedule for 3 months. Gordon will talk about this with Mike to see how it could be organized, logistics, etc. John Dobson could be brought down from San Francisco, but it seems overkill given the current number of attendees. On the other hand John would draw more people in. It was noted that Chabot might be a place where our ATM?ers could take their mirrors to check their figures, since this is currently a gap in expertise for this at our classes. It was suggested that John might be a good speaker though for one of our regular meetings. Paul Zurakowski has been approached about coming to one of our regular meetings to give a talk about testing mirrors. ------------------------------- General Meeting Programs (Dave) ------------------------------- Programs are scheduled through November. December is still open. December would be a good time for a Mars talk. Dave received some ideas for a Mars speaker that he will pursue. --------------------------- Observatory Committee (Rob) --------------------------- No updates. ---------------------------- Star Party Updates ---------------------------- Yosemite Park Star Party -Record numbers of people showed up at Yosemite. The skies partially cleared after midnight, but observing was difficult. It is a known fact that there is a first come first serve algorithm for deciding which club gets their choice of dates, and our club will continue to try to get our reply in ASAP to get the best date that we can. Coyote Park Star Party -Need someone to show up for Saturday the 27th of this month. Gary says he can show up, but he will not be setting up a barbeque. Calero County Park -Meteor observing at this park was very good. The conditions were excellent given the short distance from San Jose (much better than Houge park), and we want to explore the idea of having 3rd quarter summer star parties there. There may be too many restrictions if we need to do a roll call for each event. Houge Park Star Party -Public attendance has been alternating between very high and very low. ------------------------------ School Star Party Report (Jim) ------------------------------ The first star party has already occurred. -------------- Calendar (Jim) -------------- Progress continues on 2006 calendar. No notes to report on the 2005 calendar. --------------------- AANC Meeting --------------------- Next meeting is August 21st. Craig to attend. -------------------- Astrocon 2005 (Mike) -------------------- Mike not present, no updates --------- Club Logo --------- No updates from Rhea. ------------- Calstar (Rob) ------------- Rob seeks reimbursement for a one time expense for Secure Telnet software for $99 that Mojo recommended to use for connecting to the whiteoaks server. Bill put a motion on the table that Rob should be reimbursed, and the motion was seconded and approved. 1 person recused and 1 abstained. ------------------- Liability Insurance ------------------- Gary has the bill, and it will be paid shortly. There was a discussion about the degree of risk that the club events may pose to the public. A discussion ensued to identify these risk areas, assess the degree of risk that each presented, and to brainstorm some specific actions that could be taken to reduce risk. Initially we have identified ?tripping? as the largest risk -such as gopher holes at Coyote park -the curbs at Houge park Also, the question was raised, do we have enough teacher oversight at school star parties? As we understand the possible risks better, we may create a set of operating procedures to be given to all new members and existing members. The need to ?educate? the membership on these procedures would be the main focus as ?enforcement? of these procedures is not an activity that we see the club as having the resources to operationalize on. It was noted that we should all ?Google? the web for star party procedures to see what we can learn. Craig to look for indemnification wording also. --------------------- Membership Book (Rob) --------------------- Copy costs were reported as follows: black and white 2-sided copies are 7 cents a page, or 49 cents a page in color. Bill put forth a motion that new members will be sent a link to the PDF version of the membership book so they can experience the membership book in living color and that a printed copy in black and white be made available to new members; and that the new member will have the option of picking it up at the next meeting (our preferred choice) or receiving it in the mail. The motion was seconded and approved. Rob to talk to Craig about how to maintain the SJAA web site in the #1 organic position in Google for the keywords: astronomy san jose. From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri Sep 16 19:03:21 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August 20 mtg notes In-Reply-To: <20050917014527.26264.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Rob to talk to Craig about how to maintain the SJAA web site in the #1 organic position in Google for the keywords: astronomy san jose. So what do we do? The minutes should explicitly say that I recused. Rob Hawley From craigus at rocketmail.com Fri Sep 16 23:16:40 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August 20 mtg notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050917061640.5190.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> I think it was you had suggested that we ranked highly for this keyword phrase and that it would be a good thing to continue doing so. I merely said that I knew some tricks to keep us there. Are you saying that you now reject this idea? I wasn't going to suggest any "dark tricks" because they can get you booted from Google. I was thinking of completely legit well established techniques for internet marketing. --- Rob Hawley wrote: > >Rob to talk to Craig about how to maintain the SJAA > web > site in the #1 organic position in Google for the > keywords: astronomy san jose. > > > So what do we do? > > The minutes should explicitly say that I recused. > > Rob Hawley > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From wb6yru at aenet.net Sat Sep 17 00:57:56 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432BCC84.4030800@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > I have gotten a lot of flack on the cost of dinners at CalStar. The vendor > raised their prices by $2 again this year. With the $2 we add that brings > the cost of the meal up to the level of a fine restaurant. The result is > that are participation this year is running at 40% for the first night and > 50% for the second night (as of Wednesday). > > The $2 was intended to cover the cost of no-shows and our deposit. Should > we just pass along the price of the meal without a surcharge? I would still > charge a surcharge on any walk-in business. That would mean we would eat > $125 plus any no-shows or the night cancellation deposit. AANC would also > eat the $125 unless we decided to return their money. > > At this late date I am torn whether to do anything or not. Next year we > need to either find a new vendor or bag the BBQ. > > > Rob Hawley Having the star party be catered is all well and good, and I'm not against it, but does anyone else do this? It sure would be a lot less work for the organizers if everyone brought their own food. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 17 04:05:51 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] August 20 mtg notes In-Reply-To: <20050917061640.5190.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >I think it was you had suggested that we ranked highly for this keyword phrase and that it would be a good thing to continue doing so. I merely said that I knew some tricks to keep us there. Are you saying that you now reject this idea? Not at all. We were supposed to communicate how to do this and we have not yet done so. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 17 04:29:33 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: <432BCC84.4030800@aenet.net> Message-ID: >Having the star party be catered is all well and good, and I'm not against it, > but does anyone else do this? It sure would be a lot less work for the >organizers if everyone brought their own food. The folks who have been the most vocal are the same ones that organize the Shingletown event; however, indications are many others are voting with their feet. SSP served two catered dinner this year and they were only $9. The Friday meal was a boxed dinner prepared by a Reading restaurant (about 40 minutes distant). The Saturday meal was a BBQ managed by the community center sponsor and was also inexpensive. TSP sets up a dining room. Mike thought OSP had a roach coach, but I can find nothing on their site. In 2004 SSP had a (rather poor) private company do the BBQ. There was a mass food poisoning that affected many people including one of the SSP organizers. The boxed dinner idea is the most attractive for next year; however, King City and Paso Robles are much smaller than Reading so finding someone to do this may be hard. Some TAC folks are organizing a potluck as an alternative to our BBQ. They asked us to publicize it, but Mike was concerned with food safety and convinced me SJAA should not sponsor this. I will propose a compromise Saturday where we allow them to mail an announcement to the participants without SJAA sponsorship. Mike would also like to announce a community grill. I like this idea, but I do not have room in my car to transport the charcoal. Rob Hawley From craigus at rocketmail.com Sat Sep 17 07:11:15 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050917141116.46440.qmail@web53803.mail.yahoo.com> The Stellafane star party I religiously attended in Vermont provided food and I always went for it despite being a poor graduate student. Providing catered food as an option helps people who don't have much time to prepare for the event and people who don't have room for the cooler and such (it never would have fit in my little sports car), or who have to drive in from further away. How close are the nearest restaurants? If the nearest restaurants are 20 minutes or less away then I'd be on the fence on the decision of whether to do the catering next year or not -- however if the nearest restaurants are further than that then I'd say we keep the catered food as an option, but that we do whatever we can to charge less next year. 40-50% is a lot of people who are saying that the cost (albeit high) is worth the convenience of the catered food. If the number was 10-20% then I'd say that we have a more serious problem. >From the outside, it looks like the SSP'ers are a vocal minority that are giving you an undue hard time, but I don't see evidence yet that they are representative of the broader group. --- Rob Hawley wrote: > >Having the star party be catered is all well and good, > and I'm not against > it, > > but does anyone else do this? It sure would be a lot > less work for the > >organizers if everyone brought their own food. > > The folks who have been the most vocal are the same > ones that organize the > Shingletown event; however, indications are many others > are voting with > their feet. SSP served two catered dinner this year > and they were only $9. > The Friday meal was a boxed dinner prepared by a > Reading restaurant (about > 40 minutes distant). The Saturday meal was a BBQ > managed by the community > center sponsor and was also inexpensive. TSP sets up a > dining room. Mike > thought OSP had a roach coach, but I can find nothing > on their site. > > In 2004 SSP had a (rather poor) private company do the > BBQ. There was a > mass food poisoning that affected many people including > one of the SSP > organizers. > > The boxed dinner idea is the most attractive for next > year; however, King > City and Paso Robles are much smaller than Reading so > finding someone to do > this may be hard. > > Some TAC folks are organizing a potluck as an > alternative to our BBQ. They > asked us to publicize it, but Mike was concerned with > food safety and > convinced me SJAA should not sponsor this. I will > propose a compromise > Saturday where we allow them to mail an announcement to > the participants > without SJAA sponsorship. > > Mike would also like to announce a community grill. I > like this idea, but I > do not have room in my car to transport the charcoal. > > Rob Hawley > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From robhawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 17 07:34:22 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: <20050917141116.46440.qmail@web53803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >How close are the nearest restaurants? LSA is remote. To a real restaurant more then an hour one-way. There is a store at LSA. The LSA restaurant has never been operating whenever I have been there. We are also not a very large party. Both are reasons why the cost is high. >it looks like the SSP'ers are a vocal minority 50% participation is what I consider the minimum. It will be interesting to see how many people drop the BBQ in favor of the potluck. Mike's horror scenario of 3 day old deviled eggs is why I chose MREs instead of the potluck the night they ran it at SSP. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 17 08:49:05 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar Comparison against 2003 Message-ID: Mark provided me with some numbers for 2003. I believe those are more relevant than the 2004 numbers. The 2005 numbers are based on the Wednesday numbers so the actual 2005 is slightly higher. By comparison 2005 2003 Friday chicken 11 20 meat 32 36 veggie 4 7 Saturday chicken 14 17 meat 34 45 veggie 6 2 101 127 (about 25% higher) Rob Hawley From jvn at svpal.org Sat Sep 17 12:06:29 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calendar for 2006 Message-ID: <432C6935.DBF@svpal.org> Hi, All, I've incorporated Mike's suggestions / corrections into the new calendar, and I've generated the event-by-event listing for each month. Thank-you to Mike for the rise and set times. It was a big help having those available so that I can give the times for each star party. If the agenda has the time, please schedule a vote on it. I have linked the page from the Hotline page, so soon it'll be Googleable. It's marked "Semi-Final", pending a vote from y'all. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association Calendar for 2006 From jvn at svpal.org Sat Sep 17 12:00:29 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] School star partrty report Message-ID: <432C67CD.68FD@svpal.org> Hi, All, Due to trip preparations, I won't be at the Board meeting tonight. I hope to attend the Slide & Equipment night, but that's far from certain. I will bring the video projector sometime after 6 and before 8. I've been busy scheduling school star parties. There are 17 on the calendar, and two more for which a specific date has not been set. These are all schools where we've been before. I'm sure we'll have some new schools too. It's shaping up to be a busy school year! Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From mark.wagner at resource-intl.com Sun Sep 18 11:52:13 2005 From: mark.wagner at resource-intl.com (Mark Wagner) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050918115015.00c40c88@resource-intl.com> On Sat Sep 17 07:34:22 PDT 2005 you said: >Mike's horror scenario of 3 day old deviled eggs is why I chose MREs >instead of the >potluck the night they ran it at SSP. But that's not the case at all. The potluck at SSP was the first night, Wednesday. Mark From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 12:06:35 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050918115015.00c40c88@resource-intl.com> Message-ID: The concern is not for what happened at SSP. As you said the potluck was the first night. I still opted for an MRE, but others successfully partook. I also was unnecessarily cautious about the box dinner even though these were fine. That was a personal choice and I may opt for the dinner next year. I did buy the fine BBQ on Saturday. The concern is for what happens Saturday night at LSA. That is the third night of the star party. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Mark Wagner Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:52 AM To: sjaaboard@sjaa.net Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners On Sat Sep 17 07:34:22 PDT 2005 you said: >Mike's horror scenario of 3 day old deviled eggs is why I chose MREs >instead of the potluck the night they ran it at SSP. But that's not the case at all. The potluck at SSP was the first night, Wednesday. Mark _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 12:22:54 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I should add that having been a victim of food poisoning the past (from a restaurant while traveling) I tend stay away from potlucks at star parties regardless of the circumstances. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Rob Hawley Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:07 PM To: 'Business list for SJAA board of directors and members' Subject: RE: [SJAABoard] Cost of CalStar dinners The concern is not for what happened at SSP. As you said the potluck was the first night. I still opted for an MRE, but others successfully partook. I also was unnecessarily cautious about the box dinner even though these were fine. That was a personal choice and I may opt for the dinner next year. I did buy the fine BBQ on Saturday. The concern is for what happens Saturday night at LSA. That is the third night of the star party. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 15:17:25 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar update Message-ID: As of 9/18 3 PM Number of Registered participants 135 Where Staying cabin.in.park 7 camping.casual.area 45 camping.dark.area 61 rv.observing.area 11 rv.rv.campground 2 outside.park 9 135 Meals Friday none 83 61% chicken 13 tri.tip 35 veggie 4 meals sold 52 Meals: Saturday none 76 56% turkey 18 sirlion 35 veggie 6 meal sold 59 total meals 111 (2003 was 127) Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Sep 20 11:16:58 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Food Safety reminder - bad idea Message-ID: Our mutual decision to send out a reminder on food safety was a BAD IDEA I have spent the morning taking flack for even my toned down reminder. In the future SJAA needs to regard the participants of its star parties as adults and not treat them as children. I have been attending star parties for 4 years now and this was the first time the organizers have felt they have to play nanny. If our goal was to smooth tensions with TAC - WE FAILED!!! Rob Hawley From pkohlmil at best.com Tue Sep 20 22:38:35 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Observer Handbooks and Calendars References: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> Message-ID: <008601c5be6e$b68d22f0$0300a8c0@eclipsys.lan> Let me make it official. I need 32 calendars. And I hope everyone is okay with paying cost because it is for Project ASTRO. I have no problem purchasing one at the club member price for myself. PK From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Sep 21 02:12:27 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Observer Handbooks and Calendars In-Reply-To: <008601c5be6e$b68d22f0$0300a8c0@eclipsys.lan> References: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> <008601c5be6e$b68d22f0$0300a8c0@eclipsys.lan> Message-ID: <433123FB.8050409@aenet.net> Paul Kohlmiller wrote: > Let me make it official. I need 32 calendars. And I hope everyone is okay > with paying cost because it is for Project ASTRO. I have no problem > purchasing one at the club member price for myself. > PK I'll just put you down for 33 then. Any books? I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with you paying cost. It's not just a bulk order, but you're *giving* them away. Gary From north at znet.com Wed Sep 21 08:26:41 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Observer Handbooks and Calendars In-Reply-To: <433123FB.8050409@aenet.net> References: <432A8C9A.9030101@aenet.net> <008601c5be6e$b68d22f0$0300a8c0@eclipsys.lan> <433123FB.8050409@aenet.net> Message-ID: Gary Mitchell wrote: > I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with you paying cost. At least one member agrees (me). The board might even consider subsidizing out of the Andrah Foundation funds, since that's what they're for. Just a thought. d From robhawley at earthlink.net Fri Sep 23 07:58:46 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Calstar update Message-ID: We just broke even on our deposit. If these numbers hold and everyone who requested a meal actually buys it, then I will reduce the walk-in price to be the same as the registered price. The announcement of the potluck on Monday made NO changes to the registrations. Number of Registered Partipants 161 Where Staying cabin.in.park 12 camping.casual.area 52 camping.dark.area 65 rv.observing.area 12 rv.rv.campground 2 outside.park 18 161 Meals Friday none 102 63% chicken 13 tri.tip 40 veggie 6 59 Meals: Saturday none 95 59% turkey 21 sirlion 39 veggie 6 66 total meals 125 Rob Hawley From areopagus125 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 24 01:20:47 2005 From: areopagus125 at yahoo.com (David Smith) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Irwin Sobel's Milky Way Yurt for December meeting Message-ID: <20050924082047.69382.qmail@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Friends, We'll have a change of pace for the December 17 meeting. Our general meeting exhibitor (not really speaker, except briefly to explain how it came about) is Dr. Irwin Sobel. Although not an astronomer or observer, Irwin was enthused when he first saw Axel Mellinger's Milky Way Panorama on the net. He felt it needed to be seen properly, in the round. So he contacted Axel, and received the whole unreduced data set, with permission to make a large display. He printed it on one continuous transparency, 3 feet wide by 24 feet long, backed it with a white diffusing sheet, and built a yurt from it. (A yurt is a round, vertical-walled tent used by Mongolian nomads.) The ceiling and skirt are pretty light tight. When you enter and close up the entrance slit with velcro, you see the Milky Way glowing all around you. This exhibit is super-cool. I think this will go well with the holiday party. Small groups of 5 or 6 can enter and gape, while others eat and party while waiting their turn. But please, no food or drink in or around the yurt. By the way, if you have done digital image processing, you may be acquainted with the Sobel edge detection operator. Irwin is that Sobel. -- David Smith __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From north at znet.com Sat Sep 24 09:05:15 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Irwin Sobel's Milky Way Yurt for December meeting In-Reply-To: <20050924082047.69382.qmail@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050924082047.69382.qmail@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8afe41243da83bf02717a4a2437c338e@znet.com> David Smith wrote: > We'll have a change of pace for the December 17 meeting. Very cool, Dave! Neato! d From pkohlmil at best.com Mon Sep 26 00:00:51 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] October Ephemeris Online Message-ID: <00c801c5c268$07fe97c0$0300a8c0@eclipsys.lan> The October issue of the SJAA Ephemeris is now available online. See http://ephemeris.sjaa.net. Paul and Mary Kohlmiller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20050926/76a600ab/attachment.html From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Sep 27 07:44:18 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: <20050926213924.X61070@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: Reply from a private email from Mike. I wanted to share his comments and my reply with the board. > The AANC money is a donation, not a loan. > http://www.aanc-astronomy.org/AANCminutes/AANCminutes05.html > > Search $125, to see the motion. > As we discussed at our board meeting, the AANC wanted to give > money to help out CalStar. The SJAA board decided to accept it. It was my understanding that the AANC portion was a "loan" like we loan AANC for Astrocon. The terms were repay it if you make a profit, but otherwise forget it. I tried to find the discussion in our meeting minutes, but have not found where the approved copies are stored. > > I suggest collecting only $1 per meal. No need to send an > email, who is going to complain that we are charging $1 less? > I missed this suggestion last night or I would have included it in the reminder email. We definitely do not want to be accused of making money. As I have previous said if we sell out the reserved dinners then walk-ins will be charged the same amount (instead of a premium as now). > > Just curious, do you remember why we are not collecting money for the > meals? I suspect this may be the last year for the "honor system". > Again I don't have a copy of the minutes. Here are my recollections 1. We had not set PayPal up when many of the decisions were made 2. High cost of the meals 3. How to handle refunds when people's plans change 4. Who takes the risk for weather? Given the concern everyone has about the current system I suspect we should take deposits next year. I figured out how to do refunds via PayPal. We have 60 days after the payment to do the refund. Thus if I start taking reservations 60 days before the event we can easily handle even a mass cancellation like last year. For a CalStar in mid-September that would be mid-July or about when we started this year. Since SJAA will not be taking a risk of no-shows we should subsidize the non-refundable deposit as AANC has apparently done. That may allow us to hold down the cost of the meal next year. Rob Hawley From craigus at rocketmail.com Tue Sep 27 19:30:25 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050928023026.8376.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com> Deposits definitely sound like the way to go for next year and should help to reduce our anxieties. The AANC money was without strings attached, but I would personally feel (based on ethics) that we should return the portion of the money that we didn't actually use regardless of whether we were mandated to do so. --- Rob Hawley wrote: > Reply from a private email from Mike. I wanted to > share his comments and my > reply with the board. > > > The AANC money is a donation, not a loan. > > > http://www.aanc-astronomy.org/AANCminutes/AANCminutes05.html > > > > Search $125, to see the motion. > > As we discussed at our board meeting, the AANC wanted > to give > > money to help out CalStar. The SJAA board decided to > accept it. > > It was my understanding that the AANC portion was a > "loan" like we loan AANC > for Astrocon. The terms were repay it if you make a > profit, but otherwise > forget it. I tried to find the discussion in our > meeting minutes, but have > not found where the approved copies are stored. > > > > > I suggest collecting only $1 per meal. No need to > send an > > email, who is going to complain that we are charging > $1 less? > > > > I missed this suggestion last night or I would have > included it in the > reminder email. We definitely do not want to be accused > of making money. As > I have previous said if we sell out the reserved > dinners then walk-ins will > be charged the same amount (instead of a premium as > now). > > > > > Just curious, do you remember why we are not > collecting money for the > > meals? I suspect this may be the last year for the > "honor system". > > > > Again I don't have a copy of the minutes. Here are my > recollections > > 1. We had not set PayPal up when many of the decisions > were made > 2. High cost of the meals > 3. How to handle refunds when people's plans change > 4. Who takes the risk for weather? > > Given the concern everyone has about the current system > I suspect we should > take deposits next year. I figured out how to do > refunds via PayPal. We > have 60 days after the payment to do the refund. Thus > if I start taking > reservations 60 days before the event we can easily > handle even a mass > cancellation like last year. For a CalStar in > mid-September that would be > mid-July or about when we started this year. > > Since SJAA will not be taking a risk of no-shows we > should subsidize the > non-refundable deposit as AANC has apparently done. > That may allow us to > hold down the cost of the meal next year. > > > Rob Hawley > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Sep 27 20:49:27 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: <20050928023026.8376.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a reminder unless someone strongly objects I plan to lower our meal surcharge from $2 to $1. That should silence the voice that said this was a money making venture. We could spilt this with AANC. The announcement produced some cancellations, but we also got a couple of people that added meals. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Craig Scull Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:30 PM To: Business list for SJAA board of directors and members Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances Deposits definitely sound like the way to go for next year and should help to reduce our anxieties. The AANC money was without strings attached, but I would personally feel (based on ethics) that we should return the portion of the money that we didn't actually use regardless of whether we were mandated to do so. From craigus at rocketmail.com Tue Sep 27 21:24:25 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <20050820083320.M41251@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <20050928042425.57159.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> ============================================== Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig Scull ============================================== --------------------- Board Members Present --------------------- Gary Mitchell Craig Scull Rob Hawley Bill O?Schaughnessy Gordon Reade David Smith Mike Koop Dana Crom Jim Van Nuland --------------- Meeting minutes --------------- Minutes were approved from the last meeting. Rob passed a motion to approve the minutes, the motion was seconded. ---------------------- Treasury Report (Gary) ---------------------- $3,137.88 currently showing in the checkbook No activity on all other accounts since they were last reported in the August 20 meeting minutes >1st General fund of $5,000 is in a 6 month CD (3.05% APR) >2nd General fund of $5,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >Observatory fund of $3,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >$ 401.16 was in the last savings statement (.15% APR) ---------------------------------------------- RASC Observers Handbook ---------------------------------------------- Gary will decide how many to order based on current demand. Some discussion around extending the offer to northern astronomy clubs overall, but in the end it was decided that Gary should involve as many clubs as he felt his time would allow and that this would probably include the handful of clubs that had been contacted in the past so as to keep this manageable while still spreading the benefits of the discount rate. ---------------------------------------------- Membership Report (Rob) ---------------------------------------------- ?Solid new membership numbers? Rob has created a flyer that he has put up on many Starbucks? bulletin boards with tear-offs. Rob has had to replace the flyer at his local Starbucks three times already due to demand. An idea was discussed to distribute the poster by email to folks in our club who could then print it out and put it up at their work place. Rob also got some ?mojo? going with the Mercury News so that we are now appearing there. It turns out that Jim had placed an ad there too, so we need to ensure better coordination for future ad placements and also to ensure that the URL referenced is consistently the official SJAA web site. ---------------------------------- Loaner Scope Program Report (Mike) ---------------------------------- $80 was spent to replace a right angle finder on an 8? dob (a standing motion allows for reasonable repair expenses like this to be covered without a vote). There were a few transfers last month, but inventory remains surprisingly high. ------------------------------------------- Observational Astronomy Class Report (Mike) ------------------------------------------- No speaker for September so Mike is going to do a ?What?s up in the sky? presentation. ---------------- ATM Class (Gary) ---------------- 3-4 people attended, then 1, then 3-4 again. We still need a good mirror reader, but Ronchi testing has been a good enough alternative in the mean time. Gordon mentions that he could volunteer to run an ?accelerated? once a week schedule for 10 weeks. It was mentioned that the energetic Jane Houston had once undertaken such a schedule and that even though initial attendance was high with 20+ people present, in the end the number of finished mirrors was maybe 1, maybe 2. Rob again brought up the idea of a ?telescope making? class using commercial optics as per Albert High?s telescope designs. He also noted that Albert?s designs are rather complicated and require access to a wood working shop, and we?re not sure how that could be coordinated for the class. No resolution, but this idea may still see the light of day (or night rather) if a simpler approach could be taken. ------------------------------- General Meeting Programs (Dave) ------------------------------- Rob is going to see if Albert High is interested in doing a general meeting program on telescope making. Oct/Nov are taken care of. December is ?in progress.? December is the potluck holiday party so a ? talk would even be ok. For future talks, Rob suggests a Lick infrared program given that the entire research program at Lick has undergone a recent change in focus (no pun intended). Jeff Moore could be a possible speaker on Mars The Planetary Society could come and talk about the Mars Habitat in Utah There is a speaker who can assemble a Yurt-based planetarium in the lecture hall UC Santa Cruz astronomers get time on Keck, so they seem like a really promising local possibility --------------------------- Observatory Committee (Rob) --------------------------- Craig to ask for real estate leads from a member who has been actively involved in land searches for some time, and to get in touch with Kevin Baumgardner who is a realtor and an amateur astronomer. ---------------------------- Star Party Updates ---------------------------- Coyote Park Star Party -next Saturday -public attends 1st quarter moon parties better, we think because they still think that the best time to observe is when the moon is out. We all admit that the average public finds the moon to be one of the most fascinating things they see through a telescope. Houge Park Star Party -Public attendance has been alternating between very high and very low -Low attendance recently due to an event at Lick Calstar! -Coming up soon at month?s end Mars Opposition ? no special events, but the general public will be welcome to attend any of our regularly scheduled public star parties ------------------------------ School Star Party Report (Jim) ------------------------------ 17 school star parties scheduled already -------------- Calendar (Jim) -------------- Mike, Jim and all did a great job with the 2006 calendar. Rob passed a motion that the calendar should be accepted. It was seconded, no abstains. --------------------- AANC Meeting --------------------- Primarily occupied with Astrocon logistics. Mike got Amateur of the Year award! Astrocon made a profit so SJAA will get their money back -------------------- Astrocon 2005 (Mike) -------------------- Mike not present, no updates --------- Club Logo --------- Gary is taking this over, no updates. ------------- Calstar (Rob) ------------- 116 participants registered and roughly 50% registered for meals so we?re not actually doing all that bad this year, though negotiating a better deal with the caterer and/or considering other caterers is a definite priority for next year?s event The idea was discussed of setting up a Yahoo group next year so people can have Calstar specific discussions amongst one another Per the group discussion about whether or not we should notify event participants of the Potluck being organized Rob made a motion that we notify people that there is a potluck happening and that this is not a SJAA sponsored event. 6 voted for the motion, 1 against, 1 abstain. Rob is going to send out a disclaimer email to warn participants of the potluck of the risks of keeping food safe during the multi-day event. Rob to email about the 2 BBQ fire pits that SJAA is providing and that no other open fires are permitted --------------------- High School Astronomy Club --------------------- A high school astronomy club has approach various members to discuss what resources the SJAA can provide to help this club. In general, the SJAA can offer: -a loan of presentation materials (slide sets from ASP, Alex Filippenko videos, etc) assuming that an individual high school astronomy club member and teacher are recorded when the items are loaned -loaner telescope to those who have club membership Project astro is not an appropriate resource because it is designed for Grades 8 and lower --------------------- Misc --------------------- Rob to contact Evergreen Valley Community College to see what they are looking for From north at znet.com Tue Sep 27 21:49:21 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <20050928042425.57159.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050928042425.57159.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Craig Scull wrote: > Gordon mentions that he could volunteer to run an > ?accelerated? once a week schedule for 10 weeks. It was > mentioned that the energetic Jane Houston had once > undertaken such a schedule and that even though initial > attendance was high with 20+ people present, in the end > the number of finished mirrors was maybe 1, maybe 2. At least Akkana's 8", Bill Arnett's 10" and my 3" got finished (the last never got coated, as I sold the scope it was intended for. But you never know). I'm pretty sure some others got finished, too. I think the reason 'finish' reports might have been low relates to the technique used in those days: you ground and polished to a sphere at the SJ class, then went to Chabot for a night to do the figuring (they had better testing, and more thorough advice on figuring). I didn't track anyone else's mirrors but the group of four who started (I don't think the fourth was ever finished, but it got close. 75 percent figured is really quite good, but the class as a whole probably didn't manage quite that well). In other words, I think this was under-reported. Dave North From akkana at shallowsky.com Tue Sep 27 22:00:22 2005 From: akkana at shallowsky.com (Akkana Peck) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: References: <20050928042425.57159.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050928050022.GC1645@shallowsky.com> Dave North writes: > Craig Scull wrote: > >Gordon mentions that he could volunteer to run an > >?accelerated? once a week schedule for 10 weeks. It was > >mentioned that the energetic Jane Houston had once > >undertaken such a schedule and that even though initial > >attendance was high with 20+ people present, in the end > >the number of finished mirrors was maybe 1, maybe 2. > > At least Akkana's 8", Bill Arnett's 10" and my 3" got finished (the > last never got coated, as I sold the scope it was intended for. But you > never know). I think all three were finished after the class formally ended, though, and I bet there were several others like that. Most of us pooped out halfway through polishing, put the mirror in a drawer, then pulled it out much later and finished it with some help from Chabot (I think it was at least 6 months later in my case). I hear that's how a lot of mirror projects go. It was very much worth it for me, though. That 8" is still my favorite scope, and I tell everybody who asks that I made the mirror in the SJAA class. And Bill's 10" is beautiful. And don't forget the club 6" that we made at the Tech museum: that wasn't part of the class, but I doubt it would have happened except for the enthusiasm generated by the class. Not saying that once a week is necessarily the way to go; just that I agree with Dave that the success of Jane's class is being under- reported. ...Akkana From craigus at rocketmail.com Tue Sep 27 22:33:29 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <20050928050022.GC1645@shallowsky.com> Message-ID: <20050928053329.70834.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Actually in our discussion at the meeting it was mentioned that several mirrors were finished some months after the class was finished. Sorry that was not reflected in the notes - which only reported the end of class results rather than the longer term benefits! --- Akkana Peck wrote: > Dave North writes: > > Craig Scull wrote: > > >Gordon mentions that he could volunteer to run an > > >???accelerated??? once a week schedule for 10 weeks. > It was > > >mentioned that the energetic Jane Houston had once > > >undertaken such a schedule and that even though > initial > > >attendance was high with 20+ people present, in the > end > > >the number of finished mirrors was maybe 1, maybe 2. > > > > At least Akkana's 8", Bill Arnett's 10" and my 3" got > finished (the > > last never got coated, as I sold the scope it was > intended for. But you > > never know). > > I think all three were finished after the class > formally ended, > though, and I bet there were several others like that. > Most of us > pooped out halfway through polishing, put the mirror in > a drawer, > then pulled it out much later and finished it with some > help from > Chabot (I think it was at least 6 months later in my > case). > I hear that's how a lot of mirror projects go. > > It was very much worth it for me, though. That 8" is > still my > favorite scope, and I tell everybody who asks that I > made the > mirror in the SJAA class. And Bill's 10" is beautiful. > > And don't forget the club 6" that we made at the Tech > museum: that > wasn't part of the class, but I doubt it would have > happened except > for the enthusiasm generated by the class. > > Not saying that once a week is necessarily the way to > go; just that > I agree with Dave that the success of Jane's class is > being under- > reported. > > ...Akkana > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From jvn at svpal.org Wed Sep 28 01:15:17 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] JVN comments on Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes References: <20050928042425.57159.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433A5115.6237@svpal.org> > --------------------- > Board Members Present > --------------------- I came in with the projector, but did not stay, so I should be recorded as "excused". > Rob also got some ?mojo? going with the Mercury News so > that we are now appearing there. It turns out that Jim > had placed an ad there too, so we need to ensure better > coordination for future ad placements and also to ensure > that the URL referenced is consistently the official SJAA > web site. The address does a redirect to my hotline page. So I presume this should be used. While I was there, someone mentioned that once a reader went to my site, there was no way back. There are at least four ways back. (1) Click the "back" button on the browser. (2) Click the logo at the top left of the hotline or full-year page. (3) Click the organization name in the first line of the hotline page. (4) click the link to directions, also on the hotline page. > ------------------------------- > General Meeting Programs (Dave) > ------------------------------- > Rob is going to see if Albert High is interested in doing His name is spelled Highe. I have not heard it pronounced, but I'll guess "higgee" or "higg-uh". > ---------------------------- > Star Party Updates > ---------------------------- > public finds the moon to be one of the most fascinating > things they see through a telescope. Absolutely!! At schools, it out-WOWs everything, including Saturn. The latter tends to gather instead softer OOOOOOOOOs. > ------------------------------ > School Star Party Report (Jim) > ------------------------------ > 17 school star parties scheduled already ... And counting. > -------------- > Calendar (Jim) > -------------- > Mike, Jim and all did a great job with the 2006 calendar. > Rob passed a motion that the calendar should be > accepted. It was seconded, no abstains. Thank you. I've taken the provisional wording off the pages. > ------------- > Calstar (Rob) > ------------- > The idea was discussed of setting up a Yahoo group next > year so people can have Calstar specific discussions > amongst one another Why not ask Morris to host it? He already does the other three for SJAA. And that way, participants don't have to deal with Yahoo's hoop-jumping and fear that they'll sell the list to the spammers. And one can read it with an old browser. > --------------------- > Misc > --------------------- > Rob to contact Evergreen Valley Community College to see > what they are looking for Rob had passed a note to me, and I sent it on to Ralph Libby. Ralph replied "I will attend to it". Ralph has done daytime and classroom presentations for various schools. Clear Skies! -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Sep 28 01:54:14 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433A5A36.2000808@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > > Just a reminder unless someone strongly objects I plan to lower our meal > surcharge from $2 to $1. That should silence the voice that said this was a > money making venture. We could spilt this with AANC. Would it help to show an accounting of our cash flow from Calstar in the previous years and our potential losses in case of weather etc? Gary > The announcement produced some cancellations, but we also got a couple of > people that added meals. > > > Rob Hawley > -----Original Message----- > From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On > Behalf Of Craig Scull > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:30 PM > To: Business list for SJAA board of directors and members > Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances > > Deposits definitely sound like the way to go for next year and should help > to reduce our anxieties. > > The AANC money was without strings attached, but I would personally feel > (based on ethics) that we should return the portion of the money that we > didn't actually use regardless of whether we were mandated to do so. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From wb6yru at aenet.net Wed Sep 28 01:55:42 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: <20050928023026.8376.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050928023026.8376.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433A5A8E.3000608@aenet.net> Craig Scull wrote: > Deposits definitely sound like the way to go for next > year and should help to reduce our anxieties. > > The AANC money was without strings attached, but I would > personally feel (based on ethics) that we should return > the portion of the money that we didn't actually use > regardless of whether we were mandated to do so. > About this alleged AANC donation/loan... I just checked and I don't see a record of depositing any money from the AANC. Could I get some more details? Gary > --- Rob Hawley wrote: > > >>Reply from a private email from Mike. I wanted to >>share his comments and my >>reply with the board. >> >> >>>The AANC money is a donation, not a loan. >>> >> > http://www.aanc-astronomy.org/AANCminutes/AANCminutes05.html > >>>Search $125, to see the motion. >>>As we discussed at our board meeting, the AANC wanted >> >>to give >> >>>money to help out CalStar. The SJAA board decided to >> >>accept it. >> >>It was my understanding that the AANC portion was a >>"loan" like we loan AANC >>for Astrocon. The terms were repay it if you make a >>profit, but otherwise >>forget it. I tried to find the discussion in our >>meeting minutes, but have >>not found where the approved copies are stored. >> >> >>>I suggest collecting only $1 per meal. No need to >> >>send an >> >>>email, who is going to complain that we are charging >> >>$1 less? >> >>I missed this suggestion last night or I would have >>included it in the >>reminder email. We definitely do not want to be accused >>of making money. As >>I have previous said if we sell out the reserved >>dinners then walk-ins will >>be charged the same amount (instead of a premium as >>now). >> >> >>>Just curious, do you remember why we are not >> >>collecting money for the >> >>>meals? I suspect this may be the last year for the >> >>"honor system". >> >>Again I don't have a copy of the minutes. Here are my >>recollections >> >> 1. We had not set PayPal up when many of the decisions >>were made >> 2. High cost of the meals >> 3. How to handle refunds when people's plans change >> 4. Who takes the risk for weather? >> >>Given the concern everyone has about the current system >>I suspect we should >>take deposits next year. I figured out how to do >>refunds via PayPal. We >>have 60 days after the payment to do the refund. Thus >>if I start taking >>reservations 60 days before the event we can easily >>handle even a mass >>cancellation like last year. For a CalStar in >>mid-September that would be >>mid-July or about when we started this year. >> >>Since SJAA will not be taking a risk of no-shows we >>should subsidize the >>non-refundable deposit as AANC has apparently done. >>That may allow us to >>hold down the cost of the meal next year. >> >> >>Rob Hawley >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SJAABoard mailing list >>SJAABoard@sjaa.net >>http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 28 08:06:45 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: <433A5A8E.3000608@aenet.net> Message-ID: OK I am just going to stick to plan. We will use the published prices for reserved meals. I will still drop the price of walk-in meals if everyone shows. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 28 13:17:52 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Final CalStar numbers Message-ID: Registrations are now closed. These are the final counts. I will send this information to the caterer in a few minutes. Number of Registered Participants 181 Where Staying cabin.in.park 12 camping.casual.area 62 camping.dark.area 76 rv.observing.area 11 rv.rv.campground 2 outside.park 18 181 Meals Friday none 122 67% chicken 13 tri.tip 43 veggie 3 59 Meals: Saturday none 116 64% turkey 19 sirlion 41 veggie 5 65 total meals 124 I don't have a perfect count of the changes due to the Monday reminder, but they are in the neighborhood of 10 cancellations. This is definitely the last year we should do this without collecting at least a deposit. With this number of folks the $2 surcharge will mean that we just lose money. Of course the caveats in my previous emails apply. I am surprised about Gary's comment about the AANC check. I thought he brought it to a meeting, but I don't remember receiving one in the mail. It would be interesting to check the minutes. Rob Hawley From craigus at rocketmail.com Wed Sep 28 18:29:07 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] JVN comments on Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <433A5115.6237@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20050929012908.51168.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> >> ------------------------------- >> General Meeting Programs (Dave) >> ------------------------------- >> Rob is going to see if Albert High is interested in doing > His name is spelled Highe. I have not heard it > pronounced, but I'll guess "higgee" or "higg-uh". This has been corrected in the notes. From craigus at rocketmail.com Wed Sep 28 18:39:36 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RE: CalStar meal finances In-Reply-To: <433A5A8E.3000608@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20050929013936.13681.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com> > About this alleged AANC donation/loan... I just checked > and I don't see a record of depositing any money from > the AANC. Could I get some more details? > > Gary The Jan 22 notes read as follows: ***************************************************** ------- Calstar ------- AANC offered to provide some $help to SJAA if needed. The board discussed the cost structure of Calstar and determined that we could use help with the catering ?travel cost? for the three days ? the first day?s $125 ?travel cost? could be covered by the SJAA, the second day?s $125 could be covered by the AANC and the third day?s $125 is already covered by the extra $1 added to the registration cost. +Craig to bring this up at AANC mtg this sunday. [Done, AANC approved the $125 and would like to be listed as a sponsor] ***************************************************** We seem to be at odds over whether we should remind AANC to send us the money or not. I don't think we should ask for the money unless we think it's necessary to offset a big loss - so we should just wait and see if that happens and base our decision from there IMHO. From north at znet.com Wed Sep 28 18:53:55 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] JVN comments on Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <433A5115.6237@svpal.org> References: <20050928042425.57159.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> <433A5115.6237@svpal.org> Message-ID: <1427abd8203c34a30e23e122afb499f0@znet.com> jvn: > I have not heard it pronounced, but I'll guess "higgee" or "higg-uh". Oh you Vans. Makes perfect sense in the old country, but I think Albert just says "hi!" Dave From RNapo at znet.com Wed Sep 28 20:31:46 2005 From: RNapo at znet.com (Rich N.) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] JVN comments on Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes Message-ID: <000801c5c4a6$52620d20$99f61345@pavilion> >>> ------------------------------- >>> General Meeting Programs (Dave) >>> ------------------------------- >>> Rob is going to see if Albert High is interested in >doing > >> His name is spelled Highe. I have not heard it >> pronounced, but I'll guess "higgee" or "higg-uh". > > >This has been corrected in the notes. As far as I know, Albert pronounces his name "high" or "hi" if you like. Rich From d_crom at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 18:58:36 2005 From: d_crom at yahoo.com (Dana Crom) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] I need to cancel for CalStar Message-ID: <20051001015837.94691.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> Gang, It looks like I get to work this weekend. Again. Which means that I won't be able to handle the guest BBQ grill. I've tried to reach Mike and Rob via phone - if anyone has a cell number, please let me know so I can let them know. Sorry for the late cancellation - I was looking forward to at least one night at LSA, and now the most I can hope for is a few hours at Coyote, if I'm lucky. 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