From robhawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 11:12:41 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals Message-ID: The bottom line is (after deposits) SJAA lost $150 dollars on the dinners. Clearly this is the last year that we can operate without deposits. I am sending a $100 check to pay the net from the weekend cash. I also have the $300 deposit check from Valley catering which I plan to locally shred unless Gary wants it back. Friday Ordered 43 Tri-tip $16 "=" $688 13 chicken $14 "=" $182 3 veggie $12 "=" $ 36 Saturday Ordered 41 sirloin $16 "=" $656 19 turkey $14 "=" $266 5 veggie $12 "=" $ 60 Total $1,888 Paid to VC Friday cash $862 Friday by Rob's check $ 44 Sat cash $982 Total $1,888 Friday 41 Tri-Tip $18 "=" $738 2 Tri-Tip $20 "=" $ 40 10 chicken $16 "=" $160 1 chicken $18 "=" $ 18 3 veggie $14 "=" $ 42 $998 Saturday 37 sirloin $18 "=" $666 2 sirloin $20 "=" $ 40 14 turkey $16 "=" $224 1 turkey $18 "=" $ 18 3 veggie $14 "=" $ 42 $990 Gross Revenue before VC $1,988 Net Revenue after VC $ 100 Net Revenue after deposits ($ 150) Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 11:36:35 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Note that I plan to remind folks that did not pay for their meals that they owe some money. The first payment was received by PayPal this morning. So expect this to improve slightly. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Rob Hawley Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:13 AM To: Sjaaboard Subject: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals The bottom line is (after deposits) SJAA lost $150 dollars on the dinners. Clearly this is the last year that we can operate without deposits. I am sending a $100 check to pay the net from the weekend cash. I also have the $300 deposit check from Valley catering which I plan to locally shred unless Gary wants it back. Friday Ordered 43 Tri-tip $16 "=" $688 13 chicken $14 "=" $182 3 veggie $12 "=" $ 36 Saturday Ordered 41 sirloin $16 "=" $656 19 turkey $14 "=" $266 5 veggie $12 "=" $ 60 Total $1,888 Paid to VC Friday cash $862 Friday by Rob's check $ 44 Sat cash $982 Total $1,888 Friday 41 Tri-Tip $18 "=" $738 2 Tri-Tip $20 "=" $ 40 10 chicken $16 "=" $160 1 chicken $18 "=" $ 18 3 veggie $14 "=" $ 42 $998 Saturday 37 sirloin $18 "=" $666 2 sirloin $20 "=" $ 40 14 turkey $16 "=" $224 1 turkey $18 "=" $ 18 3 veggie $14 "=" $ 42 $990 Gross Revenue before VC $1,988 Net Revenue after VC $ 100 Net Revenue after deposits ($ 150) Rob Hawley _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Oct 3 19:39:00 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4341EB44.7000500@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > Note that I plan to remind folks that did not pay for their meals that they > owe some money. The first payment was received by PayPal this morning. So > expect this to improve slightly. Oh, so *that's* what that $14 was! I just got a PayPal notice that one person *donated* $14. I was just about to thank the person, but ask how they decided on that particular amount. Good thing I saw this first. :) Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Oct 3 19:56:54 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4341EF76.3060800@aenet.net> Rob Hawley wrote: > The bottom line is (after deposits) SJAA lost $150 dollars on the dinners. > Clearly this is the last year that we can operate without deposits. Was that from people ordering meals then not showing up or somehow skipping out on paying their way? > I am > sending a $100 check to pay the net from the weekend cash. I also have the > $300 deposit check from Valley catering which I plan to locally shred unless > Gary wants it back. If you definitely will shred it and not forget, that's good enough. But first, just to be sure we've got all our ducks in a row... Is the check number 1148? Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 20:06:51 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals In-Reply-To: <4341EF76.3060800@aenet.net> Message-ID: It was from no shows as you can see from the figures on my original email. Rob Hawley -----Original Message----- From: sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net [mailto:sjaaboard-bounces@sjaa.net] On Behalf Of Gary Mitchell Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:57 PM To: Business list for SJAA board of directors and members Subject: Re: [SJAABoard] Final Accounting of CalStar Meals Rob Hawley wrote: > The bottom line is (after deposits) SJAA lost $150 dollars on the dinners. > Clearly this is the last year that we can operate without deposits. Was that from people ordering meals then not showing up or somehow skipping out on paying their way? > I am > sending a $100 check to pay the net from the weekend cash. I also > have the $300 deposit check from Valley catering which I plan to > locally shred unless Gary wants it back. If you definitely will shred it and not forget, that's good enough. But first, just to be sure we've got all our ducks in a row... Is the check number 1148? Gary _______________________________________________ SJAABoard mailing list SJAABoard@sjaa.net http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard From robhawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 11 23:38:07 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Suggested Change of Policy for SJAA Chat Message-ID: There was a very long discussion on SJAA Chat in the last few days that I believe was not appropriate for a club mail list. This discussion was, however, consistent with the current very broad published policy. "SJAA operates three email lists, one for board of directors business, one for announcements only, and one for general chat. To subscribe (or unsubscribe) go to: Announce - a moderated list for official club announcements only Chat - an open list for general discussions by club members Board - club business We urge all members to subscribe to the announce list; it will have only a few postings per month and is moderated to avoid difficulties. The chat list is open to everyone but is not moderated so it may get large amounts of traffic from time to time. The board list is for club business that would otherwise be conducted at a board of directors meeting; any member may join in but this is boring stuff. Archives of old messages from all three lists are available via the above links. This includes minutes of the board of directors meetings." There are other mail lists that provide a forum for people to rant about Chinese medicine, creationism, holistic healing, etc. Despite the warning that the chat list is unmoderated I believe there is a responsibility to all those posting to insure that they are at least talking about astronomy. I would like to change the policy on the list to state an open list for discussions by club members on astronomy Without this I cannot in good faith recommend that new members subscribe to the chat list. Rob Hawley From robhawley at earthlink.net Wed Oct 12 14:37:20 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] October Membership Message-ID: We continue to have membership turnover. Our numbers are staying roughly the same thanks to a large number of new memberships. Note starting this month I will be excluding members whose membership expired more then 1 year ago from these stats. ------------------------ Month Memberships expire Report Date 10/12/2005 expired 53 Aug-05 6 Sep-05 6 Oct-05 10 Nov-05 7 Dec-05 14 Jan-06 21 Feb-06 18 Mar-06 20 Apr-06 14 May-06 23 Jun-06 67 Jul-06 18 Aug-06 24 Sep-06 22 Oct-06 12 Nov-06 5 more than 13 months 9 complementary 28 expiring 12 paid(current) 284 email delivery 13 Labels Generated 311 S&T Members 171 New Members since last meeting 10 current + complementary 312 records in DB 377 ------------------------------- When members joined This is a histogram of when members joined the club 2005 45 2004 51 2003 39 2002 23 2001 8 2000 1 < 2000 56 Specified 223 79% Not Specified 61 total 284 ------------------------------- Which Members did not renew This is a histogram of the year that members who did not renew their membership first joined the club. Again those members whose membership expired more than 1 year ago are not included. 2005 0 2004 19 2003 19 2002 2 2001 0 2000 0 < 2000 0 Specified 40 67% Not Specified 20 total 60 ------------------------------- Membership Count History Total Paid Compl New this month 1/19/2005 308 284 24 5 2/23/2005 304 279 25 3 3/25/2005 303 279 24 5 4/19/2005 303 277 26 3 5/18/2005 294 268 26 4 6/15/2005 296 270 26 3 7/20/2005 302 275 27 11 8/17/2005 311 282 29 10 9/14/2005 315 286 29 5 10/12/2005 312 284 28 10 Rob Hawley From pkohlmil at best.com Wed Oct 12 23:20:45 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:29 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] November Ephemeris Proofread Message-ID: <000801c5cfbe$402464f0$0400a8c0@PKHPXPP> The November Ephemeris is ready to be proofed. We accept all comments. 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URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20051012/d4b942d5/attachment.html From craigus at rocketmail.com Sun Oct 16 10:10:25 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Sep 17, 2005 - Final SJAA Board Meeting Minutes Message-ID: <20051016171026.48674.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com> Here's the final version of the September meeting minutes that were approved at the board meeting last night. ============================================== Sep 17, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig Scull ============================================== --------------------- Board Members Present --------------------- Gary Mitchell Craig Scull Rob Hawley Bill O???Schaughnessy Gordon Reade David Smith Mike Koop Dana Crom Jim Van Nuland, excused --------------- Meeting minutes --------------- Minutes were approved from the last meeting. Rob passed a motion to approve the minutes, the motion was seconded. ---------------------- Treasury Report (Gary) ---------------------- $3,137.88 currently showing in the checkbook No activity on all other accounts since they were last reported in the August 20 meeting minutes >1st General fund of $5,000 is in a 6 month CD (3.05% APR) >2nd General fund of $5,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >Observatory fund of $3,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >$ 401.16 was in the last savings statement (.15% APR) ---------------------------------------------- RASC Observers Handbook ---------------------------------------------- Gary will decide how many to order based on current demand. Some discussion around extending the offer to northern astronomy clubs overall, but in the end it was decided that Gary should involve as many clubs as he felt his time would allow and that this would probably include the handful of clubs that had been contacted in the past so as to keep this manageable while still spreading the benefits of the discount rate. ---------------------------------------------- Membership Report (Rob) ---------------------------------------------- ???Solid new membership numbers??? Rob has created a flyer that he has put up on many Starbucks??? bulletin boards with tear-offs that reference a simplified SJAA page that contains the most recent public event information. Rob has had to replace the flyer at his local Starbucks three times already due to demand. Go Rob! An idea was discussed to distribute the poster by email to folks in our club who could then print it out and put it up at their work place. Rob also got some ???mojo??? going with the Mercury News so that we are now appearing there. It turns out that Jim had placed an ad there too, so we need to ensure better coordination for future ad placements and also to ensure that the URL referenced is consistently the official SJAA web site. ---------------------------------- Loaner Scope Program Report (Mike) ---------------------------------- $80 was spent to replace a right angle finder on an 8??? dob. There were a few transfers last month, but inventory remains Highe. ------------------------------------------- Observational Astronomy Class Report (Mike) ------------------------------------------- No speaker for September so Mike is going to do a ???What???s up in the sky??? presentation. ---------------- ATM Class (Gary) ---------------- 3-4 people attended, then 1, then 3-4 again. We still need a good mirror reader, but Ronchi testing has been a good enough alternative in the mean time. Gordon mentions that he could volunteer to run an ???accelerated??? once a week schedule for 10 weeks. It was mentioned that the energetic Jane Houston had once undertaken such a schedule and that even though initial attendance was Highe with 20+ people present, in the end the number of finished mirrors was about the same, maybe 1 or 2. Rob again brought up the idea of a ???telescope making??? class using commercial optics as per Albert Highe???s telescope designs. He also noted that Albert???s designs are rather complicated and require access to a wood working shop, and we???re not sure how that could be coordinated forthe class. No resolution, but this idea may still see the light of day (or night rather) if a simpler approach could be taken. ------------------------------- General Meeting Programs (Dave) ------------------------------- Rob is going to see if Albert Highe is interested in doing a general meeting program on telescope making. Oct/Nov are taken care of. December is ???in progress.??? December is the potluck holiday party so a ?? talk would even be ok. For future talks, Rob suggests a Lick infrared program given that the entire research program at Lick has undergone a recent change in focus (no pun intended). Jeff Moore could be a possible speaker on Mars. The Planetary Society could come and talk about the Mars Habitat in Utah There is a speaker who can assemble a Yurt-based planetarium in the lecture hall UC Santa Cruz astronomers get time on Keck, so they seem like a really promising local possibility --------------------------- Observatory Committee (Rob) --------------------------- Craig to ask for real estate leads from a member who has been actively involved in land searches for some time, and to get in touch with Kevin Baumgardner who is a realtor and an amateur astronomer. ---------------------------- Star Party Updates ---------------------------- Coyote Park Star Party -next Saturday -public attends 1st quarter moon parties better, we think because they still think that the best time to observe is when the moon is out. In all honesty we all admit that the average public finds the moon to be one of the most fascinating things they see through a telescope. Houge Park Star Party -Public attendance has been alternating between very Highe and very low -Low attendance recently due to an event at Lick Calstar! -Coming up soon at month???s end Mars Opposition ??? no special events, but the general public will be welcome to attend any of our regularly scheduled public star parties ------------------------------ School Star Party Report (Jim) ------------------------------ 17 school star parties scheduled already -------------- Calendar (Jim) -------------- Mike and all did a great job with the 2006 calendar. Rob passed a motion that the calendar should be accepted. It was seconded, no abstains. --------------------- AANC Meeting --------------------- Primarily occupied with Astrocon logistics. Mike got Amateur of the Year award! Astrocon made a profit so SJAA will get their money back -------------------- Astrocon 2005 (Mike) -------------------- Mike not present, no updates --------- Club Logo --------- Gary is taking this over, no updates. ------------- Calstar (Rob) ------------- 116 participants registered and roughly 50% registered for meals so we???re not actually doing all that bad this year, though negotiating a better deal with the caterer and/or considering other caterers is a definite priority for next year???s event The idea was discussed of setting up a Yahoo group next year so people can have Calstar specific discussions amongst one another Rob is going to send out a disclaimer email to warn participants of the potluck of the risks of keeping food safe during the multi-day event. Specifically Rob made a motion that we notify people that there is a potluck happening and that this is not a SJAA sponsored event. 6 voted for the motion, 1 against, 1 abstain. Rob to email about the 2 BBQ fire pits that SJAA is providing and that no other open fires are permitted --------------------- Highe School Astronomy Club --------------------- A Highe school astronomy club has approach various members to discuss what resources the SJAA can provide to help this club. In general, the SJAA can offer: -a loan of presentation materials (slide sets from ASP, Alex Filippenko videos, etc) assuming that an individual club member and teacher are recorded when the items are loaned -loaner telescope to those who have club membership Project astro is not an appropriate resource because it is designed for Grades 8 and lower --------------------- Misc --------------------- Rob to contact Evergreen Valley Community College to see what they are looking for From craigus at rocketmail.com Sun Oct 16 10:28:39 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Oct 15, 2005 - Draft SJAA Board Meeting Minutes Message-ID: <20051016172839.449.qmail@web53805.mail.yahoo.com> Here's the draft version of the September meeting minutes from the board meeting last night. ============================================== Oct 15, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig Scull ============================================== For all subsequent meeting minutes Craig will print out one copy of the last month???s minutes for the upcoming board meeting and send out a final edited version the next day. --------------------- Board Members Present --------------------- Gary Mitchell Craig Scull Rob Hawley Bill O???Schaughnessy Gordon Reade David Smith Dana Crom Mike Koop Jim Van Nuland, excused --------------- Meeting minutes --------------- Minutes were approved from the last meeting. Mike passed a motion to approve the minutes, the motion was seconded. ---------------------- Treasury Report (Gary) ---------------------- $2322.42 currently showing in the checkbook Handbooks and Calendars have been ordered. There was some discussion about subsidizing the purchases of these for project astro teachers. Craig summarized the discussion by making a motion that project astro teachers who are club members can apply for up to a $100 grant per year to reimburse their project astro expenses. The motion was seconded. No activity on all other accounts since they were last reported in the August 20 meeting minutes >1st General fund of $5,000 is in a 6 month CD (3.05% APR) >2nd General fund of $5,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >Observatory fund of $3,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >$ 401.16 was in the last savings statement (.15% APR) ---------------------------------------------- Membership Report (Rob) ---------------------------------------------- A large turnover continues while the number of incoming new members also is higher than years past. ---------------------------------- Loaner Scope Program Report (Mike) ---------------------------------- A few scopes have changed hands. Gary is going to help repair a 4??? Orion scope that was recently donated. ------------------------------------------- Observational Astronomy Class Report (Mike) ------------------------------------------- Rob will do a basic dobsonian skills class on January 20, assuming his Costa Rica trip does not coincide with this date. ---------------- ATM Class (Gary) ---------------- SJAA sold glass blanks and mirror making supplies to John Dobson???s class up in San Francisco for around $1200-$1300. There was some discussion around placing a combined order with Chabot, Sacramento, and other clubs to get a 10%-20% discount on the purchase which requires a minimum order of $2000. ------------------------------- General Meeting Programs (Dave) ------------------------------- Space elevators are the topic of next month???s program. December???s holiday party meeting will also include a planetarium Yurt and a brief talk about this. Groups of 5 need to be let in so that there is not excessive wear on the door hinge (Velcro). Dave will get colored cards if they are needed to assign to different groups. We may also sell Axil Messinger???s (sp?) star atlas at the holiday party meeting. --------------------------- Observatory Committee --------------------------- Craig still needs to get in touch with Kevin Baumgardner who is a realtor and an amateur astronomer. Group 70 is not very favorable toward amateur astronomers so it was advised that Group 70 try to highlight their research interests or explore some way of otherwise partnering with MIRA in some way that connects to MIRA???s mission. ---------------------------- Star Party Updates ---------------------------- Last two Houge star parties have been well attended. One idea discussed was to put an envelope attached to Rob???s flyer containing business cards so that the ???ragged??? edge left when people take the tear offs does not lead Star Bucks to take it down. Rob is going to look into finding a way to track how many people are visiting the ???gotstars??? web page, such as using a CGI counter script so that we can see how many people are getting to the page from the flyers he has put up. Rob and Jim are still both sending in notices to the Mercury News. Neither has a great track record because the newspaper has not been very responsive. ------------------------------ School Star Party Report (Jim) ------------------------------ Two successful recent events. -------------- Calendar (Jim) -------------- No updates --------------------- AANC Meeting (Craig) --------------------- Mike to attend and Craig will use this time to work on the club logo. John Dobson pins will be for sale for $5 or 3 for $10. -------------------- Calstar Wrap Up (Rob) -------------------- Our loss was under a $100. Next year we will do prepayment for meals to avoid the problem of losses due to no-shows. We will accept payment by check or by Paypal (plus a $2 transaction fee). Rob is going to look into the possibility of boxed dinners. Next year people will be referred to the TAC web site for information about a non-SJAA organized pot luck dinner. Rob is reorganizing the web site to include an online tour of the Calstar site. He is also doing some space planning to accommodate more casual observing and those who leave early. We will need more food tables next year because there wasn???t enough space. The grill that we provided was not used on 2 of the 3 days. We won???t offer this next year because people can use the caterer???s grill. Mike sold a few club items at the swap table. Rob volunteered to organize next year???s Calstar event. Thanks Rob. -------------------- Chat / Email Etiquette -------------------- Rob proposes that we add some clarification to the list???s rules specifying that the conversations should be related to astronomy. Dana also suggested that the moderator should have the sole judgement to determine when it is necessary to moderate the discussion. Rob will write up his suggestion and run it by us on the SJAA board list. -------------------- Fall Swap - Support -------------------- Coming up on Sunday Nov 13th. Gary will be there to support. --------- Club Logo --------- Gary shared a conceptual idea based on a star party. Craig will take Rhea???s work and Gary???s work and create some designs for us to look at. These designs will be included in the next Ephemeris (December) to get people???s interest. ------------- High School Astronomy Club Support? ------------- Gordon volunteered to do a Solar lunch time session for the high school astronomy club that approached us last month. Craig will connect Gautam with Gordon. From craigus at rocketmail.com Sun Oct 16 10:37:37 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Oct 15, 2005 - Draft SJAA Board Meeting Minutes (ignore previous email) In-Reply-To: <20051016172839.449.qmail@web53805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051016173737.53151.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com> Please ignore the previous email - this is a draft version of **October's** email meeting minutes! ============================================== Oct 15, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig Scull ============================================== For all subsequent meeting minutes Craig will print out one copy of the last month???s minutes for the upcoming board meeting and send out a final edited version the next day. --------------------- Board Members Present --------------------- Gary Mitchell Craig Scull Rob Hawley Bill O???Schaughnessy Gordon Reade David Smith Dana Crom Mike Koop Jim Van Nuland, excused --------------- Meeting minutes --------------- Minutes were approved from the last meeting. Mike passed a motion to approve the minutes, the motion was seconded. ---------------------- Treasury Report (Gary) ---------------------- $2322.42 currently showing in the checkbook Handbooks and Calendars have been ordered. There was some discussion about subsidizing the purchases of these for project astro teachers. Craig summarized the discussion by making a motion that project astro teachers who are club members can apply for up to a $100 grant per year to reimburse their project astro expenses. The motion was seconded. No activity on all other accounts since they were last reported in the August 20 meeting minutes >1st General fund of $5,000 is in a 6 month CD (3.05% APR) >2nd General fund of $5,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >Observatory fund of $3,000 is in a 12 month CD (3.35% APR) >$ 401.16 was in the last savings statement (.15% APR) ---------------------------------------------- Membership Report (Rob) ---------------------------------------------- A large turnover continues while the number of incoming new members also is higher than years past. ---------------------------------- Loaner Scope Program Report (Mike) ---------------------------------- A few scopes have changed hands. Gary is going to help repair a 4??? Orion scope that was recently donated. ------------------------------------------- Observational Astronomy Class Report (Mike) ------------------------------------------- Rob will do a basic dobsonian skills class on January 20, assuming his Costa Rica trip does not coincide with this date. ---------------- ATM Class (Gary) ---------------- SJAA sold glass blanks and mirror making supplies to John Dobson???s class up in San Francisco for around $1200-$1300. There was some discussion around placing a combined order with Chabot, Sacramento, and other clubs to get a 10%-20% discount on the purchase which requires a minimum order of $2000. ------------------------------- General Meeting Programs (Dave) ------------------------------- Space elevators are the topic of next month???s program. December???s holiday party meeting will also include a planetarium Yurt and a brief talk about this. Groups of 5 need to be let in so that there is not excessive wear on the door hinge (Velcro). Dave will get colored cards if they are needed to assign to different groups. We may also sell Axil Messinger???s (sp?) star atlas at the holiday party meeting. --------------------------- Observatory Committee --------------------------- Craig still needs to get in touch with Kevin Baumgardner who is a realtor and an amateur astronomer. Group 70 is not very favorable toward amateur astronomers so it was advised that Group 70 try to highlight their research interests or explore some way of otherwise partnering with MIRA in some way that connects to MIRA???s mission. ---------------------------- Star Party Updates ---------------------------- Last two Houge star parties have been well attended. One idea discussed was to put an envelope attached to Rob???s flyer containing business cards so that the ???ragged??? edge left when people take the tear offs does not lead Star Bucks to take it down. Rob is going to look into finding a way to track how many people are visiting the ???gotstars??? web page, such as using a CGI counter script so that we can see how many people are getting to the page from the flyers he has put up. Rob and Jim are still both sending in notices to the Mercury News. Neither has a great track record because the newspaper has not been very responsive. ------------------------------ School Star Party Report (Jim) ------------------------------ Two successful recent events. -------------- Calendar (Jim) -------------- No updates --------------------- AANC Meeting (Craig) --------------------- Mike to attend and Craig will use this time to work on the club logo. John Dobson pins will be for sale for $5 or 3 for $10. -------------------- Calstar Wrap Up (Rob) -------------------- Our loss was under a $100. Next year we will do prepayment for meals to avoid the problem of losses due to no-shows. We will accept payment by check or by Paypal (plus a $2 transaction fee). Rob is going to look into the possibility of boxed dinners. Next year people will be referred to the TAC web site for information about a non-SJAA organized pot luck dinner. Rob is reorganizing the web site to include an online tour of the Calstar site. He is also doing some space planning to accommodate more casual observing and those who leave early. We will need more food tables next year because there wasn???t enough space. The grill that we provided was not used on 2 of the 3 days. We won???t offer this next year because people can use the caterer???s grill. Mike sold a few club items at the swap table. Rob volunteered to organize next year???s Calstar event. Thanks Rob. -------------------- Chat / Email Etiquette -------------------- Rob proposes that we add some clarification to the list???s rules specifying that the conversations should be related to astronomy. Dana also suggested that the moderator should have the sole judgement to determine when it is necessary to moderate the discussion. Rob will write up his suggestion and run it by us on the SJAA board list. -------------------- Fall Swap - Support -------------------- Coming up on Sunday Nov 13th. Gary will be there to support. --------- Club Logo --------- Gary shared a conceptual idea based on a star party. Craig will take Rhea???s work and Gary???s work and create some designs for us to look at. These designs will be included in the next Ephemeris (December) to get people???s interest. ------------- High School Astronomy Club Support? ------------- Gordon volunteered to do a Solar lunch time session for the high school astronomy club that approached us last month. Craig will connect Gautam with Gordon. From craigus at rocketmail.com Sun Oct 16 13:58:45 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <41356955.4DDA@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20051016205845.22994.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> After surveying dozens and dozens of logos for astronomy clubs worldwide I was somewhat relieved to see that overall they do not look corporate / professional / polished. The more professional and polished logos tend to be very "abstract" (in a bad way). I find the "realist" logos to be the most meaningful from a communicating-what-we-do perspective. I agree with Gary that sharing our passion for the skies with the public is a big part of what many of us do, and pointing things out to people in the sky is also very common. This is likely to resonate more with the public than abstract images of galaxies, instruments, or celestial figures. Therefore, building upon Gary's "realist" concepts around showing people the stars -- I have attached a first pass (Logo-v1.gif) that simplifies the composition into the space constraints of a rectangular logo which also gives it a more polished look. Be nice. This is just a **draft**. Next steps are to swap in different figures (I stole these from another site), a dobsonian telescope since that's our most common instrument, and to play around with what's in the sky above. Also, the typography for the club name is still under consideration. I've got many other versions I sketched out, but this was the only one that I felt was worth sharing. Questions 1. Does the logo need to be monochomatic? 2. Does the logo need to be of a specific shape? (e.g. round, square, rectangle) 3. Can someone tell me where I can find Rhea's work? I looked all over www.sjaa.net to no avail 4. Gary, please send me your "people" graphics have a good rest of the weekend Craig -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Logo-v1.gif Type: image/gif Size: 6621 bytes Desc: 3041955155-Logo-v1.gif Url : http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20051016/83f277e9/Logo-v1.gif From jvn at svpal.org Sun Oct 16 16:10:57 2005 From: jvn at svpal.org (Jim Van Nuland) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... References: <20051016205845.22994.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4352DE01.49F9@svpal.org> Craig Scull wrote: > I've got many other versions I sketched out, but this was > the only one that I felt was worth sharing. Hey, I like it! Quickly recognizable. Play with the font, but I like what you have. > Questions > 1. Does the logo need to be monochromatic? It could be in color, but such that it will also look good in monochrome, even black. Color on a web page is free, but it's costly in the newsletter. Even on a colored letterhead, keep in mind that a copier is going to monocromate it. > 2. Does the logo need to be of a specific shape? (e.g. > round, square, rectangle) I would extend the figures downward (show their legs), so that the overall shape would be slightly taller than wide. About using a Dobsonian scope -- I see numerous equatorially mounted scopes. Though the Newtonian is more common than a refractor, what you show is closer to what most people identify with "telescope". But I'll look at other scopes.... > 3.> 4. I don't know. -- Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association JVN's web site From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Oct 17 00:26:59 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Oct 15, 2005 - Draft SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <20051016172839.449.qmail@web53805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051016172839.449.qmail@web53805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43535243.3060006@aenet.net> Craig Scull wrote: > Here's the draft version of the September meeting minutes September? > from the board meeting last night. > ============================================== > Oct 15, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig Scull > ============================================== > For all subsequent meeting minutes Craig will print out > one copy of the last month???s minutes for the upcoming > board meeting and send out a final edited version the > next day. [snip] > ---------------------- > Treasury Report (Gary) > ---------------------- > $2322.42 currently showing in the checkbook > > Handbooks and Calendars have been ordered. There was > some discussion about subsidizing the purchases of these > for project astro teachers. Craig summarized the > discussion by making a motion that project astro teachers > who are club members can apply for up to a $100 grant per > year to reimburse their project astro expenses. The > motion was seconded. I believe we voted on this, and it was approved. If I remember correctly, there were one or two abstentions and the rest in favor. [snip] > ---------------- > ATM Class (Gary) > ---------------- No biggie, but this was not reported by me. > SJAA sold glass blanks and mirror making supplies to John > Dobson???s class up in San Francisco for around > $1200-$1300. There was some discussion around placing a > combined order with Chabot, Sacramento, and other clubs > to get a 10%-20% discount on the purchase which requires > a minimum order of $2000. [snip] > -------------------- > Calstar Wrap Up (Rob) > -------------------- > Our loss was under a $100. Next year we will do > prepayment for meals to avoid the problem of losses due > to no-shows. We will accept payment by check or by > Paypal (plus a $2 transaction fee). This isn't a correction, just more info... I didn't have the figures at the meeting, but I do now: Each PayPal transaction costs us roughly 30 cents plus three percent (rounding off). So, a two dollar transaction fee would cover a payment of around 56 bucks. > -------------------- > Chat / Email Etiquette > -------------------- > Rob proposes that we add some clarification to the > list???s rules specifying that the conversations should > be related to astronomy. Dana also suggested that the > moderator should have the sole judgement to determine > when it is necessary to moderate the discussion. It was also mentioned that the chat list isn't moderated. I didn't say this at the time, but I would oppose turning it into a moderated list. A club like this has very limited manpower resources. As it is, I believe moderation of the chat list would be a waste of effort that could be put to better use elsewhere in the club. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Oct 17 00:29:38 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Oct 15, 2005 - Draft SJAA Board Meeting Minutes (ignore previous email) In-Reply-To: <20051016173737.53151.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051016173737.53151.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <435352E2.4060502@aenet.net> Craig Scull wrote: > Please ignore the previous email - this is a draft > version of **October's** email meeting minutes! ACK! :/ That's what I get for not reading ahead. Well, I had other comments. :) Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Oct 17 01:04:46 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <20051016205845.22994.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051016205845.22994.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43535B1E.8000002@aenet.net> Craig Scull wrote: > After surveying dozens and dozens of logos for astronomy > clubs worldwide I was somewhat relieved to see that > overall they do not look corporate / professional / > polished. The more professional and polished logos tend > to be very "abstract" (in a bad way). I find the > "realist" logos to be the most meaningful from a > communicating-what-we-do perspective. > > I agree with Gary that sharing our passion for the skies > with the public is a big part of what many of us do, and > pointing things out to people in the sky is also very > common. This is likely to resonate more with the public > than abstract images of galaxies, instruments, or > celestial figures. > > Therefore, building upon Gary's "realist" concepts around > showing people the stars -- I have attached a first pass > (Logo-v1.gif) that simplifies the composition into the > space constraints of a rectangular logo which also gives > it a more polished look. > > Be nice. This is just a **draft**. With that in mind, I have three comments... 1) At least it's better than those excuses for a first draft that I showed. We're getting closer here. 2) I think our logo needs to have some kind of "long" quality to it. Notice the current logo at the top of the Ephemeris. I like the depiction of the horizon, it stretches across the top of the page and also lends itself well to letterhead. It's not complicated either. 3) At the risk of making it too busy or complex (which would not be good), I'd like to experiment with having more than two people... at least something that gives the impression of a *club* activity. Maybe there's no real way to do that without making it too busy. What do you guys think about replacing the dome on our current logo with something like Craig's image? > Next steps are to > swap in different figures (I stole these from another > site), a dobsonian telescope since that's our most common > instrument, and to play around with what's in the sky > above. Also, the typography for the club name is still > under consideration. > > I've got many other versions I sketched out, but this was > the only one that I felt was worth sharing. > > Questions > 1. Does the logo need to be monochomatic? It depends. In most cases, it would have to be. But we could produce a color version for the web page or where ever there can be color. It doesn't take much to convert from color to B&W, but going the other way is different. > 2. Does the logo need to be of a specific shape? (e.g. > round, square, rectangle) Adding to my comment above... Maybe a square image would be good in some cases, but I'd vote for long rectangular (horizontal). > 3. Can someone tell me where I can find Rhea's work? I > looked all over www.sjaa.net to no avail I've got a copy of them. > 4. Gary, please send me your "people" graphics Tsk, I forgot already! :) I'll include Rhea's samples. Gary From robhawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 17 08:31:39 2005 From: robhawley at earthlink.net (Rob Hawley) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <43535B1E.8000002@aenet.net> Message-ID: I agree with Gary that this is better then the first logos and better than the previous drafts. My thoughts on the details differ from Gary's ****Complexity********* Two versions of the logos are possible. Apple did this for many years. There are cases where the 5 color was appropriate and there were other cases where it was not. Steve's modification of the Apple logo shows the problems with complex logos (i.e. they are costly to reproduce). Now Apple has a single simple logo. The Ephemeris requires a Grey Scale. Doing multicolor on clothing greatly increases the cost. I would not make it any more busy then what Craig proposed. My feeling is "less is more". That was my main criticism with the previous drafts. *****Aspect Ratio***** We should stick to square. We can modify the logo for the Letterhead and the Ephemeris by combining it with the SJAA name as is done with the current logo. That does not lock us in so we could arraign the letters differently on clothing were we are more restricted. Rob Hawley From d_crom at yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 10:47:45 2005 From: d_crom at yahoo.com (Dana Crom) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <20051016205845.22994.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051017174745.40606.qmail@web51713.mail.yahoo.com> Good effort, Craig. --- Craig Scull wrote: > Be nice. This is just a **draft**. Next steps are > to > swap in different figures (I stole these from > another > site), a dobsonian telescope since that's our most > common > instrument, and to play around with what's in the > sky > above. As long as it looks good (and doesn't have something silly like putting the newtonian eyepiece at the bottom of the tube - saw that in an add once!), I wouldn't obsess too much about the "most common scope". There are a lot of scope types out there, and unless you want to show a refracting truss dobsonian design on a german equatorial mount (with a big S-C finder);-), you'd need a whole star-party mass shot to show them all. For the rest, personal opinion only. > Questions > 1. Does the logo need to be monochomatic? I'd vote yes - makes it easier to put on cards, t-shirts, letterhead, etc. > 2. Does the logo need to be of a specific shape? > (e.g. > round, square, rectangle) I'd guess that roughly equal height and width would give us the most flexibility (ie, either square or round). Since for a given height and width there's more room in a square logo, it'd probabluy make more sense. (This wouldn't prevent us from trimming the edges of a square logo to fit on a patch, if the basic design is well centered) I can't answer questions 3 or 4, so will leave them to others. I don't hold my opinions *too* strongly, so if anyone sees anything you think I got wrong, please fire away. Dana ================================== Dana Crom - San Jose, California d_crom@yahoo.com (personal email) Dana.Crom@zoran.com (work email) ================================== __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From craigus at rocketmail.com Mon Oct 17 18:07:41 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Oct 15, 2005 - Draft SJAA Board Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <43535243.3060006@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20051018010741.90399.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Gary, I've incorporated your comments. --- Gary Mitchell wrote: > Craig Scull wrote: > > Here's the draft version of the September meeting > minutes > > September? > > > from the board meeting last night. > > ============================================== > > Oct 15, 2005 - SJAA Board Meeting Minutes - Craig > Scull > > ============================================== > > For all subsequent meeting minutes Craig will print > out > > one copy of the last month???s minutes for the > upcoming > > board meeting and send out a final edited version the > > next day. > > [snip] > > > ---------------------- > > Treasury Report (Gary) > > ---------------------- > > $2322.42 currently showing in the checkbook > > > > Handbooks and Calendars have been ordered. There was > > some discussion about subsidizing the purchases of > these > > for project astro teachers. Craig summarized the > > discussion by making a motion that project astro > teachers > > who are club members can apply for up to a $100 grant > per > > year to reimburse their project astro expenses. The > > motion was seconded. > > I believe we voted on this, and it was approved. If I > remember correctly, there were one or two abstentions > and the rest in favor. > > [snip] > > > ---------------- > > ATM Class (Gary) > > ---------------- > > No biggie, but this was not reported by me. > > > SJAA sold glass blanks and mirror making supplies to > John > > Dobson???s class up in San Francisco for around > > $1200-$1300. There was some discussion around > placing a > > combined order with Chabot, Sacramento, and other > clubs > > to get a 10%-20% discount on the purchase which > requires > > a minimum order of $2000. > > [snip] > > > -------------------- > > Calstar Wrap Up (Rob) > > -------------------- > > Our loss was under a $100. Next year we will do > > prepayment for meals to avoid the problem of losses > due > > to no-shows. We will accept payment by check or by > > Paypal (plus a $2 transaction fee). > > This isn't a correction, just more info... > > I didn't have the figures at the meeting, but I do now: > Each PayPal transaction costs us roughly 30 cents plus > three percent (rounding off). So, a two dollar > transaction > fee would cover a payment of around 56 bucks. > > > > -------------------- > > Chat / Email Etiquette > > -------------------- > > Rob proposes that we add some clarification to the > > list???s rules specifying that the conversations > should > > be related to astronomy. Dana also suggested that > the > > moderator should have the sole judgement to determine > > when it is necessary to moderate the discussion. > > It was also mentioned that the chat list isn't > moderated. > > I didn't say this at the time, but I would oppose > turning > it into a moderated list. A club like this has very > limited manpower resources. As it is, I believe > moderation > of the chat list would be a waste of effort that could > be > put to better use elsewhere in the club. > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From craigus at rocketmail.com Mon Oct 17 18:13:01 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <43535B1E.8000002@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20051018011302.57144.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with your ideas, such as experimenting with more than two people to reduce the intimacy and make things look more club-like. We don't need to debate about size too much, it's faster to simply design first for the toughest (smallest) situation and then expand from there to something that works for letterhead (the wide horizontal you referred to) and one that is for pins, caps, T-Shirts, etc. So, I'd like to keep "shape" discussions focused on the small version -- what you'd see on T-shirt, cap, pin, etc. -- with that in mind we can be round, square, or slightly rectangular as in my first draft. --- Gary Mitchell wrote: > Craig Scull wrote: > > > After surveying dozens and dozens of logos for > astronomy > > clubs worldwide I was somewhat relieved to see that > > overall they do not look corporate / professional / > > polished. The more professional and polished logos > tend > > to be very "abstract" (in a bad way). I find the > > "realist" logos to be the most meaningful from a > > communicating-what-we-do perspective. > > > > I agree with Gary that sharing our passion for the > skies > > with the public is a big part of what many of us do, > and > > pointing things out to people in the sky is also very > > common. This is likely to resonate more with the > public > > than abstract images of galaxies, instruments, or > > celestial figures. > > > > Therefore, building upon Gary's "realist" concepts > around > > showing people the stars -- I have attached a first > pass > > (Logo-v1.gif) that simplifies the composition into > the > > space constraints of a rectangular logo which also > gives > > it a more polished look. > > > > Be nice. This is just a **draft**. > > With that in mind, I have three comments... > > 1) At least it's better than those excuses for a first > draft that I showed. We're getting closer here. > > 2) I think our logo needs to have some kind of "long" > quality to it. Notice the current logo at the top of > the Ephemeris. I like the depiction of the horizon, it > stretches across the top of the page and also lends > itself well to letterhead. It's not complicated > either. > > 3) At the risk of making it too busy or complex (which > would not be good), I'd like to experiment with having > more than two people... at least something that gives > the impression of a *club* activity. Maybe there's no > real way to do that without making it too busy. > > What do you guys think about replacing the dome on our > current logo with something like Craig's image? > > > Next steps are to > > swap in different figures (I stole these from another > > site), a dobsonian telescope since that's our most > common > > instrument, and to play around with what's in the sky > > above. Also, the typography for the club name is > still > > under consideration. > > > > I've got many other versions I sketched out, but this > was > > the only one that I felt was worth sharing. > > > > Questions > > 1. Does the logo need to be monochomatic? > > It depends. In most cases, it would have to be. But > we > could produce a color version for the web page or where > ever there can be color. It doesn't take much to > convert > from color to B&W, but going the other way is > different. > > > 2. Does the logo need to be of a specific shape? > (e.g. > > round, square, rectangle) > > Adding to my comment above... Maybe a square image > would be good in some cases, but I'd vote for long > rectangular (horizontal). > > > 3. Can someone tell me where I can find Rhea's work? > I > > looked all over www.sjaa.net to no avail > > I've got a copy of them. > > > 4. Gary, please send me your "people" graphics > > Tsk, I forgot already! :) I'll include Rhea's > samples. > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From craigus at rocketmail.com Mon Oct 17 18:20:06 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051018012006.58697.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Glad you like the simplicity. Note that monochrome does not equate to black and white, it can be deep-blue and white, OR deep red and white, etc. and it will come out in black and white when the printing requires it (e.g. fax machine, newspaper). It's also easier for me if I stick to monochrome because it means I have to make fewer design decisions! --- Rob Hawley wrote: > I agree with Gary that this is better then the first > logos and better than > the previous drafts. My thoughts on the details differ > from Gary's > > ****Complexity********* > > Two versions of the logos are possible. Apple did this > for many years. > There are cases where the 5 color was appropriate and > there were other cases > where it was not. > > Steve's modification of the Apple logo shows the > problems with complex logos > (i.e. they are costly to reproduce). Now Apple has a > single simple logo. > > The Ephemeris requires a Grey Scale. Doing multicolor > on clothing greatly > increases the cost. > > I would not make it any more busy then what Craig > proposed. My feeling is > "less is more". That was my main criticism with the > previous drafts. > > > > *****Aspect Ratio***** > > We should stick to square. We can modify the logo for > the Letterhead and > the Ephemeris by combining it with the SJAA name as is > done with the current > logo. That does not lock us in so we could arraign the > letters differently > on clothing were we are more restricted. > > > > Rob Hawley > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From craigus at rocketmail.com Mon Oct 17 18:50:57 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <4352DE01.49F9@svpal.org> Message-ID: <20051018015057.13667.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the reply. I'll experiment with showing more of the people and see if they still look like people when it is reduced to a small size. --- Jim Van Nuland wrote: > Craig Scull wrote: > > > I've got many other versions I sketched out, but this > was > > the only one that I felt was worth sharing. > > Hey, I like it! Quickly recognizable. Play with the > font, but I like > what you have. > > > > Questions > > 1. Does the logo need to be monochromatic? > > It could be in color, but such that it will also look > good in > monochrome, even black. Color on a web page is free, > but it's costly in > the newsletter. Even on a colored letterhead, keep in > mind that a > copier is going to monocromate it. > > > 2. Does the logo need to be of a specific shape? > (e.g. > > round, square, rectangle) > > I would extend the figures downward (show their > legs), so that the > overall shape would be slightly taller than wide. > > About using a Dobsonian scope -- I see numerous > equatorially mounted > scopes. Though the Newtonian is more common than a > refractor, what you > show is closer to what most people identify with > "telescope". > > But I'll look at other scopes.... > > > 3.> 4. > > I don't know. > > > -- > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical > Association > JVN's web > site > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Mon Oct 17 19:52:21 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <20051018012006.58697.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018012006.58697.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051017204714.E70837@koopm.best.vwh.net> Hi Craig, Thanks for putting in the effort on the design. I like yours the best of all the ones I have seen so far. One suggestion I do have is to put the San on top to the Jose so that the letters SJAA line up. You could even bold the first letters or differentiate them somehow. I think we want a logo which we can get embroidered items (hats, shirts, patches, fleece pullovers, and jackets). Gary's concept I do not think will work too well for this since the detail would be tough to do. We should also look into doing pins, nametags, and decals. Whatever we come up with should have no problem to extend it or the concept of it across a letterhead or the front page of the Ephemeris. Here is my original email which included the link to Rhea's site: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/2005-May/002492.html For reference, 1980 was the last time a logo was discussed. Here are the designs (#6 won). Note that the design was decided by the membership, not the board. I think we should do likewise. We want a design which people will buy. Unfortunately, the voted on Logo was not adapted for use by later Ephemeris Editors (except by the designer) and was never to the best of my knowledge made into a shirt or hat: http://koopm.best.vwh.net/SJAALogo1980.pdf Craig's Design http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20051016/83f277e9/Logo-v1.gif A few other astro logos with ours looking pretty sad (Mojo did the best he could with the time he had) http://web.archive.org/web/20040725081624/http://www.astrocon2004.org/ Fairview Embroidery Site (Click on Portfolio to see examples, or SJAA to see what they are currently doing for us). http://www.fairviewembroidery.com/pages/671645/index.htm Mike From north at znet.com Mon Oct 17 20:20:51 2005 From: north at znet.com (Dave North) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <20051017204714.E70837@koopm.best.vwh.net> References: <20051018012006.58697.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> <20051017204714.E70837@koopm.best.vwh.net> Message-ID: <7ab7eeca8f62dd69c91e37c2be1a7c2f@znet.com> Michael Koop wrote: > Here is my original email which included the link to Rhea's site I haven't really been keeping up, but the latest proposal with the quintessential "Orion" pointing pose is not to my taste at all. Rhea's first two efforts are much better. If you're feeling "people oriented" the first one in the second row is okay, though the image in the poster is better. At any rate, it would probably be best to show patience. This has managed to suffer along for many years in its current sorry state; another little bit of time will hardly destroy the club. But if you have any mercy, please not another 'pointing know-it-all.' Besides, we all know when somebody points like that, nobody else has a clue where they mean. That's why you bought the green laser. Which, on a logo, would look like a magic wand. Jay...? Dave North From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Oct 18 02:09:18 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <20051018015057.13667.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051018015057.13667.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4354BBBE.3030906@aenet.net> Craig Scull wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I'll experiment with showing more > of the people and see if they still look like people when > it is reduced to a small size. Turning the images into silhouettes would probably make that sort of thing a little easier... less detail to worry about, simpler for B&W printing. It looks more like an actual star party that way too. :) Of course, we could have a couple of different versions, depending on the application. Gary From wb6yru at aenet.net Tue Oct 18 02:20:51 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <7ab7eeca8f62dd69c91e37c2be1a7c2f@znet.com> References: <20051018012006.58697.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> <20051017204714.E70837@koopm.best.vwh.net> <7ab7eeca8f62dd69c91e37c2be1a7c2f@znet.com> Message-ID: <4354BE73.8060303@aenet.net> Dave North wrote: > Michael Koop wrote: > >> Here is my original email which included the link to Rhea's site > > > I haven't really been keeping up, but the latest proposal with the > quintessential "Orion" pointing pose is not to my taste at all. > Rhea's first two efforts are much better. > If you're feeling "people oriented" the first one in the second row > is okay, though the image in the poster is better. > At any rate, it would probably be best to show patience. This has > managed to suffer along for many years in its current sorry state; > another little bit of time will hardly destroy the club. > But if you have any mercy, please not another 'pointing > know-it-all.' Besides, we all know when somebody points like that, > nobody else has a clue where they mean. That's why you bought the green > laser. I'm surprised you have such a negative reaction to that. It's one of the features I thought our logo should have. Well, instead those "Orion pointing poses," how about depictions of a laser pointer? You don't see that in too many images. Gary From craigus at rocketmail.com Tue Oct 18 18:54:14 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <4354BE73.8060303@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20051019015414.17209.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com> This is kind of a funny thread, but I'm happy to see so much involvement because this raises some important questions. I guess no one noticed that there actually is a laser pointer in the one person's hand. Anyways, to address the bigger issue -- in my survey of club logos I can't think of hardly any that had the "quintessential Orion pointing pose." However, the more important point here is the question of what audience we are trying to target. Are we trying to come up with a logo that appeals more to the experienced observer or the novice, or the complete public or some other group? I would venture that the goal of our logo should be to communicate some essence or image of our organization, what we stand for (e.g. mission) and that the audience of this logo would be the "general public." This is an important question and I would be interested in how others would weigh in on this. Just what is the image we want to portray to the public at large? For example, if we want to target "experienced" observers, then our imagery would be completely different. --- Gary Mitchell wrote: > Dave North wrote: > > > Michael Koop wrote: > > > >> Here is my original email which included the link to > Rhea's site > > > > > > I haven't really been keeping up, but the latest > proposal with the > > quintessential "Orion" pointing pose is not to my > taste at all. > > Rhea's first two efforts are much better. > > If you're feeling "people oriented" the first one > in the second row > > is okay, though the image in the poster is better. > > At any rate, it would probably be best to show > patience. This has > > managed to suffer along for many years in its current > sorry state; > > another little bit of time will hardly destroy the > club. > > But if you have any mercy, please not another > 'pointing > > know-it-all.' Besides, we all know when somebody > points like that, > > nobody else has a clue where they mean. That's why > you bought the green > > laser. > > I'm surprised you have such a negative reaction to > that. > It's one of the features I thought our logo should > have. > > Well, instead those "Orion pointing poses," how about > depictions of a laser pointer? You don't see that in > too > many images. > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From craigus at rocketmail.com Tue Oct 18 18:40:50 2005 From: craigus at rocketmail.com (Craig Scull) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Club logo progress to share... In-Reply-To: <4354BBBE.3030906@aenet.net> Message-ID: <20051019014051.32325.qmail@web53801.mail.yahoo.com> makes sense --- Gary Mitchell wrote: > Craig Scull wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. I'll experiment with showing > more > > of the people and see if they still look like people > when > > it is reduced to a small size. > > Turning the images into silhouettes would probably make > that sort of thing a little easier... less detail to > worry > about, simpler for B&W printing. It looks more like an > actual star party that way too. :) Of course, we could > have a couple of different versions, depending on the > application. > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > SJAABoard mailing list > SJAABoard@sjaa.net > http://www.sjaa.net/mailman/listinfo/sjaaboard > From koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net Sat Oct 22 18:01:37 2005 From: koopm at koopm.best.vwh.net (Michael Koop) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] Re: Hogue Park Star Party (fwd) Message-ID: <20051022190034.O93859@koopm.best.vwh.net> Here is a request to join us at Houge and my response. Comments? Mike ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:00:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Michael Koop To: Mark Brada Cc: koopm@best.com Subject: Re: Hogue Park Star Party Hi Mark, Your class is welcome to attend any of our Houge Park Star Parties. In fact, we encourage you to do so. Please let us know in advance before you attend. We try to put into the reminder message that we are expecting a lot of people to attend if we know you will be there. I do not know what to do about the sale of hot chocolate. This kind of puts us into a difficult position. I have passed your message onto the board mailing list asking for assistance. Will your group be covered for liability selling the hot chocolate at our site? What safety precautions will your group be taking serving food and drink? If your group is covered with insurance or you have an adequate safety plan, then I feel it should be OK. I'll let you know what the board says. Let me know what date you will be there and what resources you need. Clear Skies, Mike Koop On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Mark Brada wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I am a recent member to SJAA (although I've been observing for some time) > and I have a question regarding the Hogue Park Star Party. I am a teacher > at the Harker School here in San Jose, and I was wondering what the policy > is on inviting groups to the star parties. I understand that they are > public events, and all are welcome, but it is possible that making an > announcement at my school would draw a relatively large crowd. I don't have > any good way of estimating the number of people that would come, however. I > wouldn't want people who bring telescopes to be overwhelmed by a large > group. In addition, there is an interest for some students to sell, say, > hot chocolate as a fundraiser for their group (Women in Science, Technology > and Engineering). I have hosted small observing sessions myself, setting up > 2 or 3 scopes, but it would be nice if the students had a wider opportunity > to observe. > > At any rate, this is something that I would be interested in pursuing if > possible. Please let me know either way, so that I can plan accordingly. > > Regards, > > Mark Brada > From pkohlmil at best.com Mon Oct 31 23:24:56 2005 From: pkohlmil at best.com (Paul Kohlmiller) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] SJAA logos Message-ID: <000601c5deb5$5e868c10$0200a8c0@PKHPXPP> I've attempted to put together a page for reviewing the SJAA logo possibilities. I hope you have a high speed connection when viewing this page. http://www.softwarerepair.com/astro/sjaa_logo_proposals.htm I put Craig's at the top of the page but for some reason it doesn't show up when I try to browse it so I added a link to it. I also added some logo ideas based on the AstroCon 2004 t-shirt design and I put Rhea's designs here also. Hope this helps. On the color issue, I think it would be great if we had one color (called a spot color by some printing types) - probably blue. I send files to the printer with blue in it and it turns into black or at least dark gray. Meanwhile, the blue adds a little bit to the PDF version and I made make more use of it. I know we have SJAA business cards and Rob has some that he has made. I think it would be great if we had a new perk for club members who have been with us for say 3 years or more - a set (<50) of SJAA business cards with their name and contact info on it. We would only print these once a year or less and only for members who request it. We might be able to do the printing ourselves. Just a thought. Paul K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.sjaa.net/pipermail/sjaaboard/attachments/20051031/dc3467f0/attachment.html From wb6yru at aenet.net Mon Oct 31 03:03:58 2005 From: wb6yru at aenet.net (Gary Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 30 03:57:30 2006 Subject: [SJAABoard] RASC books and calendars Message-ID: <4365FA1E.1050608@aenet.net> The RASC books and calendars should arrive soon. In the mean time... Our cost is the same as last year: $15.70 for the Observer Handbooks and $7.70 for the calendars, that includes shipping. (We weren't able to hit the higher price break.) Last year we were getting $17 for the books and $10 for the calendars. Some directors didn't want me dealing with one's, otherwise I think we may have charged $9 for the calendars. Don't let that be a concern. A lot of times I have to make change anyway. So, what do we charge this year? I'd like to get a consensus before the meeting. Gary